Inside the Online Life of a Health & Wellness Reporter

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Speaker 1: You better come up here and get one of these. What’s that? As it should. Chicken found.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hi, I’m Rachel Martin.

Julia Craven: And I’m Julia Craven. And you’re listening to I See. Why am I?

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: In case you missed it.

Julia Craven: Slate’s podcast about Internet culture.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And today, we’re joined by former Slate staff writer and author of Health and Wellness to let her Make it make Sense and eternal icon, Julia Craven.


Speaker 1: Julia, thank you for joining me.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I have been obsessed with you for literal years, so thank you for indulging me and coming on this show.

Julia Craven: You’re very kind, and I’ve been obsessed with you too. When I got the invite to come, I was just like, Yes, of course I want to talk to Rachel for an hour.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: In Grand Guest Host Edition. I have a few starter questions for you. Are you. Are you ready?

Julia Craven: I think so.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay. So I don’t really know how I decide who to ask this question to, other than I always wonder who’s going to have the funniest answer. And so I feel like you would have a really funny answer. So I’m going to ask you, do you think Jesus was canonically hot? Like in the Bible. The historical.


Speaker 1: Document. Do you think.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Jesus was hot?

Julia Craven: Um, I feel like every single Bible study lesson that I was trying to get every single time I was told to be quiet in church. I feel like all of that, like. The Southern Baptists indoctrination that I had is bubbling up inside me right now, and I feel like that.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Was the whole.

Julia Craven: Like, I’m so sorry, Nana. Oh, my God. I’m going to say no.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay, I agree. But tell me why.

Julia Craven: So it’s it’s two fold. In all of those Sundays I spent in church, I feel like are preventing me from saying anything other than like. No. And the other part is I’m just not sure that that I would find anyone from that era hot. Mhm. I mean, like because we live in a world where like you exist out now and Jonathan Majors and I just.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Aldis Hodge Yes.

Julia Craven: So I’m going to say no for the sake of like my mental health and safety. So what was your answer? Is it yes or no.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: It’s no. I don’t think Jesus was hot. And I think that is based on the fact that to follow I mean, in the the church tradition, I also grew up Southern Baptist. But I feel like following Jesus was not supposed to be something that was like super easy, like there were trials and tribulations to overcome, like they were on that day in the ocean thinking they were going to drown. And I feel like it’d be a lot easier to follow a hot person. And so I think that Jesus is not hot so that you would kind of look past him. And that’s why I think that he’s not. But I think he had hot energy. I think he was very charismatic.


Julia Craven: He had energy.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I think he had good vibes. I think the vibes are right.

Julia Craven: Oh, my God. Yeah. I can never share that. Like, my nana can never hear this. Live.

Speaker 1: Live?

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Well, sorry, Julius. Nana, we will move on from our to be determined hot lawn.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And now for my next question, which is, what is your favorite song of Beyonce’s Renaissance? You have to pick one. There’s no like, you can only pick one. There’s no waffling.

Julia Craven: Heated.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Well, that was the.

Speaker 1: Thing.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I thought we were going to be going back and forth for a while. But you came out the gate. That’s a great choice.


Julia Craven: I think, because I So I’ve been listening to this album nonstop, pretty much like So about a month ago, I finally stopped listening to it every day because I was like, Something has to give. Like, I can’t it can’t keep listening to this daily. Like I have to listen to something else. And so I’ve already done all of like the mental gymnastics in my head about like which song is better, what’s the best song? And I’ve I’ve just landed on the Heat. It High was right from the beginning, like, this is the best song on the album, but it’s hard because there’s so many good songs on the album.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: There is. There’s no skips. I don’t think there’s a bad song on the album.

Julia Craven: I have some skills.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What are your skills?


Julia Craven: Well, I have a skip.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What’s the single Skip?

Julia Craven: So, okay, I want to preface this because I do not want anybody coming for me. I don’t think this is a bad song. It’s just not it doesn’t vibe with my personal music preferences.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay?

Julia Craven: I just like faster paced, more upbeat, more up tempo music. And so I do skim plastic off the sofa.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: When she’s that upbeat, I was like, It’s going to be yeah, it’s going to be the slow one. I think given your personal music preferences, that makes sense. However, the passive passive got the sofa hits.


Julia Craven: It’s a beautiful song. I like it. And if I’m listening to the whole album playing at home or while I’m cleaning or something, fine. If I put it on in the gym, I’d like. That’s just not going to work out. It’s not going to work.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I’m just picturing trying to do.

Julia Craven: That with little.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Plastic.

Speaker 1: Stuff.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: It wouldn’t work. It wouldn’t work. I just laid out an already way to do that when I’m in the gym.

Julia Craven: You know, so I know people don’t believe me when I say that because I’m a gym girl, but same I same thing.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Even when you’re a gym guru and you enjoy working out, there’s always a moment that comes in your workout where you’re like, I would rather be doing anything else.

Julia Craven: You know, you ain’t got it every day. That’s like the the thing I wish. And obviously we’re going to get into this in a little bit, but that’s like the thing I wish more health and wellness content creators would talk about is how there’s just days where you just ain’t got it. And that’s fine. Like, that’s normal.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you said, we’re going to get into that later because that’s what today’s topic is about you Julia Craven.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Today’s episode is the first of a new segment we’re trying out tentatively called Internet Diary, Though if I see why my listeners have many better options, please DMS. Y’all are incredible at coming up with names, but the concept is like really simple and extremely self-serving in that I just wanted an excuse to have the coolest, smartest people I know come on the show and tell me about their internet habits. I just feel like the way we incorporate the internet into our daily lives says a lot about us is kind of a little personality test. And I love personality tests. So after a short break, I will be back with our first diaries. Julia, I’m so excited.


Speaker 1: We don’t need to discuss to me, the two of you.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And we’re back with Julia. And I actually realize I didn’t ask you the question before the break, but I usually ask everyone, so I’m going to ask it now. What is your first Internet memory?

Julia Craven: So my first Internet memory is definitely Neopets.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Ooh.

Julia Craven: Yeah. Is that. Are you like, ooh. She’s like, very niche or ooh, like, she’s a little old.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: That was a oh, in that I did not really partake of meal prep, but I know a lot of people who did. And I’m always fascinated by like because I never really experienced like if you took me to the homepage of Neopets, I would be like, I don’t know what to do here. So I just like hearing about it.


Julia Craven: So when I started on Neopets, I would go to the library while my nana would like run her Saturday errands and I would like fuck around on the computer because I didn’t have internet at home. Yeah. And so because I didn’t have internet at home and I got like this once a week, like internet time, my Neopets time was not successful because I was only checking on them like what we know now.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Are they just dying? Did Neopets die?

Julia Craven: I can’t remember if they died or not, but I know that they weren’t thriving like it was not a they starved like, oh, it was them. You know, the internet during the during the odds was just a wild time anyway. Like it was just the Wild West. And my Neopets experience being a terrible parent was a part of that. So that’s my first Internet memory is depriving my Neopets of nourishment in water. Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay, so Neopets, I think kind of counts as a platform. But my next question is what was the first platform that became like a regular part of your life, Like one that you visited every day and not once a week.

Julia Craven: So it was two and they happened kind of simultaneously. So when I was in like seventh or eighth grade, like we finally did get Internet because we were able to convince like I was I was able to convince my great grandmother that we needed Internet. Yeah. Like, I needed this. And I was on Zynga and MySpace every day.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, okay. Tell me more about Zynga. Unlike Neopets in that I didn’t I’ve never really been on it, but I’ve heard about it. So tell me what your experience on the manga was like.


Julia Craven: I know for me it was just like it was like a new way to write and to like blog. And being a young bird at the time, like it just kind of helped me process things to type it out. But that experience was just like, Oh, like there’s a new way to communicate. Like this is a new medium. And then MySpace was just MySpace was just like a whole new world. It was like, Oh my God, Like, there’s all these people and it’s like, we can I can connect with and talk to people who live in Alaska. Like once being able to just see profiles and potentially connect with people who were not in my world was like for me, I was like, Oh shit. Like this is this is awesome.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Do you remember any of your MySpace profile songs?

Julia Craven: So this was also during my email phase. I have to say that, yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: MySpace was also my emo phase.

Julia Craven: I feel like it might have been every black girls. Emo. Okay, it might have been. So there were definitely. Oh, my God. I want to say repairable. Okay. It definitely had to be. And if it wasn’t more, it was certainly like fall out, boy.

Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Julia Craven: I think I had dead on arrival on my profile. Oh, I know. Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Also, like, the layers of meaning. Dead on arrival to my MySpace page.

Julia Craven: There you go. My brain was not functioning that highly at that time in my.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Life, I.

Julia Craven: Think. But I like that conscious.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Wow. Okay. Yeah. The black girl emo fave, I feel like was also almost. Not exclusively, but mostly lived on the Internet for a lot of us.


Julia Craven: Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And so I just have this, like, really warm, fuzzy feeling towards that era of being online.

Julia Craven: And I, I felt like I went through my emo phase alone, as you do during an emo phase. Like you think it’s just like you’re the only person in the world going through this at this point in time. So doing that in like through music or MySpace or whatever, it was just kind of like, I don’t know, it just it felt like another way to express a not like I don’t know. I don’t know how deep I want to get.

Julia Craven: But I was navigating big emotions at the time and I didn’t understand them. And being able to just sit for a few hours and like create a profile from scratch and then like, put your music on there and like, choose all of these little photos and tidbits and whatnot. It just felt like a really good outlet. Mm hmm. And it was different than just like, writing poetry or, you know, brooding while reading a book or something like that. It was it was a new way to just, like, express myself when I didn’t feel like I could do that in my actual life for whatever reason.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, well, speaking of MySpace pages and songs and things that have stayed with us, what is kind of the last piece of Internet ephemera that’s kind of lost its way into your brain and refuse to leave? Like, it could be a tree or a tic tac or a vine. Rest in peace. Just something that you, you find yourself thinking about maybe too often.


Julia Craven: So there was this like moment on TikTok where there was this lady and she was singing this song. And part of the lyrics were. Taste the biscuit, Taste the goodness of the biscuit.

Speaker 1: Taste the biscuit, taste the goodness of the biscuits.

Julia Craven: And so someone paired that with a filter of just like one of those filters where they put your face on it and then like you have a different body and it’s just like this the a woman’s body and she’s just like a bright silver and shiny she has on a purple dress and she’s like walking down a beach and it’s just her walking to the taste, the biscuit taste the goodness of the biscuit. And this didn’t go particularly viral, like I think maybe under the sound and under the filter. It like both of them had like maybe three or 4000 videos. So this was not like a big viral thing. Yeah, it was very niche and somehow my algorithm thought that I was into it and as always, my algorithm was correct.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So like, sounds like it was.

Julia Craven: Very much into this. And then the second one is it’s a chicken salad.

Speaker 1: Oh, yes. And you did the little finger superior.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Just superior. The way she made that salad looks so good.

Julia Craven: I know it is so. I know that salad is amazing.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Speaker 1: You have it. Come up here and get one of these. Was that is the chicken salad from where any first valley was on the barrier.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And basically a camera pans on to this woman who is very clearly enjoying a salad and she kind of like croaks her finger over her mouth as someone ask her, what are you eating? And she’s like, It’s a salad. And she explains what’s in it. It’s chicken, there’s banana peppers, cucumbers. And I can’t even describe, like, why this video is so great, except that it is.


Julia Craven: I think is great because like, you know how like you be in or like somebody around you, Lizzie, and it’s just like, oh, like in there, like. Like you can tell that it’s good just because, like, they’re not talking to anybody, like, they’re enjoying their meal. And then you ask them all that, what do you eat? And then like, they’re just like, it’s not that. And I’m just like, Yeah, because you were there. Shit was.

Speaker 1: Good.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah, It’s like when you don’t even stop chewing to tell me what you’re eating. You’re just like, I’m going to just put my hand over my mouth and be like is this.

Julia Craven: Exactly.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mhm. Mhm. Best advertisement for, for a place at first deli I need to go.

Julia Craven: So I started to get the videos of like people going.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh my gosh.

Julia Craven: And getting the chicken salad and just like getting it going to sit in their car, just like I’m going to feel my reaction and I haven’t seen a person say that it’s bad yet. Like everyone is just like, nah, like this chicken salad is actually amazing. And now I want one. I mean.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Say same say, Wow, that is 81st live. I’m like, Come up now.

Julia Craven: Yeah they should give they better give her could.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Listen wherever business comes in after the date that video was posted she is owed at least 10%. And then I have so many other questions for you. But first, we have to take a short break. When we get back, I’m going to get you to spill some secrets now.


Julia Craven: I’m scared.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: You should be.

Speaker 1: Chased. The biscuit is the goodness of the biscuit.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hiya. Hope you’re enjoying today’s show. This is your first time listening and welcome. We are thrilled to have you here. In case you missed it, that is the name of the show. And also our show comes out twice a week on Wednesdays and Saturdays. So please make sure you never miss an episode like this past Wednesdays where you can hear me say EMU in an extremely American accent for 30 minutes straight. It’s all about how a lesbian emu influencer got a milkshake. That’s. And we’re back with Julia. And the first spicy question I have is I’m assuming you were part of many group chats. What which one has the wildest name?

Julia Craven: So I am going to choose one that is wild but isn’t like isn’t just too much.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So that makes me think there is one that is too much to review and fair.

Julia Craven: The Dixie Chicks. I can’t believe I’m sharing that.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I am obsessed. I love it. Can I know the back story into the name?

Julia Craven: It’s actually very like it’s very innocuous. It’s just we don’t talk about Dick. That’s like. That’s not what I assumed. But we were actually just making some. I can’t remember, like, the. The start of it, but we just started making. We just started making puns. Oh. And so the puns were probably honestly based on, like, a hinge profile that someone saw where a person said something really wild. And so we just started making puns about different names that people who have dicks can call them. And so that just led to being like the dick chicks. Yeah, that’s it. Is that I don’t know. It sounds wilder than it was.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay. If you could only follow three people on social media and just pick the random number. I don’t know why I picked three, but their posts are the only ones you’re going to see for the rest of your life. There’s no changing. Who would they be?

Julia Craven: So I actually came prepared.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh.

Julia Craven: And I chose three people for my three most used platforms. Oh, yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: You did research.

Julia Craven: I can’t just pick three, like, because people are so different depending on the platform.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah.

Julia Craven: So we’ll start with Twitter.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay.

Julia Craven: It has to be written by Hannah. Mm hmm.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mm hmm. That’s the Twitter account of writer Hannah Pfeifer. It is just like chaos, but also brilliant analysis. Like the best of both worlds. Great choice.

Julia Craven: Thank you. I like to think I have taste. I know you do. Maya escaped.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, we had her on the show.

Julia Craven: I’m aware somewhere. I’m a fan. And then out of context, House of the Dragon.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Are you the only person in America who’s enjoying the job?

Julia Craven: I guess I don’t know. The problem is, I don’t know what y’all’s problem is. I haven’t.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Seen it. It’s not y’all. Okay, Good Twitter choices.

Julia Craven: So for Instagram. Megan thee stallion.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Good choice.

Julia Craven: Beyonce.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I thought she’d make it up there.

Julia Craven: And Joanne, the scammer.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, yeah. So, Joanne, the scammer. Is this character created by I think his name is Brandon Miller. And Joanne is just. She’s a scammer. She wears this beautiful gray fur. She smokes Newports. She’s always running up someone’s PayPal account.

Speaker 1: I’ve lied to her face. I’ve lied to disgrace. I’ve lied about sex, religion and race. I’ve lied to elope, got married for hope. I’ll continue to lie. I lied in this poem.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I like this. That’d be a fun feed. Honestly, I feel like you’re really having, like, a very pure social media experience.

Julia Craven: Yeah, I should just do this, like, purge everything that these account.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: These account. That’d be so fun.

Julia Craven: Because Joanne, like, I have to have access to those archival videos. Yes. Like.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Joanne might be coming back. I’ve seen some teaser videos. Yes.

Julia Craven: And when we needed them most, they returned.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: The Avatar. The Last Airbender reference. I knew you had to leave.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay, Now, actually moving on. I’m assuming the next platform is tick tock.

Julia Craven: The next and the last platform is tick tock. So I have said iconic.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay. I don’t know this one.

Julia Craven: It’s a very you know, I love chaos and it’s very chaotic. Oh, it’s very chaotic. And it involves a lot of personas and a lot of different characters, all of which are rooted in like really kind of I don’t want to over intellectualize it, but to me, they come off as like very just like rooted in satire. It’s it’s good, though. It’s good The girls aren’t making consent like that.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So you’re like, I’m assuming it’s good.

Julia Craven: Yeah. Those iconic semi moonlight.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah. Mm hmm. Yes. Well, I.

Julia Craven: Follow on Tik tok and Twitter, but, you know, I had to pick and choose.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I chose No, I picked ah, I think her her took to her Instagram content also. Great. But I do think TikTok was the best platform. Yeah, no, I love her. So Simi is a plus sized black fashion influencer who just creates the most beautiful outfits and also has just incredible thoughts about like anti-blackness and fatphobia in the fashion industry. Like, she’s just a great follow.

Julia Craven: Art degree and it’s NIDA.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Benita. Yes. You do love chaos and chaos incarnate. It’s Nita is just her. Her full name is Benita. And she has this thing where basically she stitches videos of hot men making thirst traps, and she will just come up after them and be like, What do you do? And with all that, all those thighs out there. Like, get your ass over here, boy. And it says, like, I’m obsessed.

Speaker 1: I want to apologize for who I am. I am extremely sorry for my behavior.

Julia Craven: She’s little fucking.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: She’s so funny. Her laugh like. Oh, my God. We will link all of these people on on our Twitter. But these are all phenomenal choices.

Julia Craven: I thank you. Do you think you were.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: You’ve you’ve found like, perfect.

Julia Craven: You know, I needed a balance of like. Pretty pictures. Chaos and people who really do say and do smart things. And so even though like it might be a bit chaotic, like it’s chaotic with a purpose. Yeah. And I just I love that. And it had to be funny. Anthony.


Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Wow. I’m going to go cleanse all my feeds. Except for your choices.

Julia Craven: Takes a bow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay. Something else that you are an expert on besides, you know, curating social media feeds is health and wellness, which I consider one of the wildest parts of the Internet. Yes. Crypto. Except I understand health and wellness and I don’t understand crypto. So I’m going to ask a kind of thorns in Rose’s question. What is the newest bad one, this trend? And what is the newest good one? What are the kids doing? I’ve heard about seed cycling. I don’t know what that is. I’ve heard about skin cycling. I do know what that is.

Julia Craven: We’re all cycling through this hellscape. But no, the so. Okay. The newest bad wellness trend is reading the ingredient label. And let me explain.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I was like, Wait a minute, now what? What’s going to.

Julia Craven: Come? Let me let me explain what I mean by that. So what what I’m seeing a lot, especially on on TikTok, and then those videos end up on Instagram and a lot of that information ends up on Instagram and Twitter. But so people are going into the store and like they’re filming themselves reading the ingredient labels and these like quote unquote, bad ingredients for you. And they’re just things like zap and gum and, you know, stuff like that, things that are not actually harmful to your body. Mm hmm. And then they always end up suggesting, like, instead of getting instead of getting like, an oat milk brand that has, like, a gum in it or whatever, you should get small because mall is like, it doesn’t have that in there. What is, Marc?


Julia Craven: It’s a brand of oatmilk that doesn’t have a lot of it really just doesn’t have like a lot of preservatives and things like that in it. It’s just very much like a bare bones type of oatmilk. And so they’ll suggest that over, you know, the one that maybe has a longer ingredient label as healthier when in truth, mortgage’s more expensive.

Julia Craven: Yeah. And so what what we’re seeing happening with like this viral trend of reading the ingredient label and like, you know, promoting something as unhealthy or not is basically people are just like pushing classes on their wellness further. Yeah, then it’s already gone.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I was like, And it’s go any further.

Julia Craven: Yeah. You know, apparently it can cause, you know, there’s erosion. There’s, there’s, you know, there’s a lot of, lot of these things. So that’s the that’s the bad one. Reading the ingredient label is not like it could be a good practice, Like it could stop people from eating foods that, you know, just don’t make them feel good. Like, yeah, I love Oreos. Like, I’m looking at a Rice Krispie treat right now, but Rice Krispie treats don’t like me because milk doesn’t like me.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: It relatable content.

Julia Craven: Yeah. So like, it could be a good thing, but it’s just going too far. Is going too far.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah. I went on an elimination diet for a while because of my IBS as I was being seen by a nutritionist, so it wasn’t just something I was doing. And so there was a peer was really into reading ingredients list, but it’s because I couldn’t have onions or garlic. And so it was when I was looking through everything for that. But that was one of the only scenarios in which I actually am trying to like, actively avoid an ingredient because I know it doesn’t make me feel good and that I’m just like, the preservatives are there for a reason.

Julia Craven: Exactly. They’re they’re so that your food doesn’t, you know, spoil and give you listeria or whatever the fuck. Yeah. Other food borne diseases or.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I would prefer not to have botulism give them the option.

Julia Craven: How low they know, but for real that I seriously, truly, truly don’t want that. That’s like you do not.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay, so last question. What’s the good wellness trend happening right now?

Julia Craven: Hot girl walks.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Is it just the walk?

Julia Craven: Yeah, it’s just the walk. A regular daily walk is the best wellness trend I’ve ever seen. Ever. Oh, I mean, it’s amazing. And and it’s not even overcomplicate it. People are just like putting on leggings and going for a walk. So I’m like, This is great. More of this. Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: That’s so, like, accessible and achievable.

Julia Craven: Yeah. Wow. Realistic. It’s it’s, it’s really great. Like, it’s really great. And I wish more health and wellness trends were like that. Like, Oh, take a walk. Just go for a walk, take a nap, get more sleep.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Listen, I mean, I think that’s actually kind of a perfect note to end on is go take a walk.

Julia Craven: I was gonna say take a nap.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Also take a walk and then take a nap. But. All right. That is the show. We’ll be back in your feed on Wednesdays. So please subscribe. It is the best way to never miss an episode, to never miss an Internet diary. Please leave a rating and review an apple Spotify and tell your friends about us. You can follow us on Twitter if you buy my underscore pod, which is also where you can find the links to all the incredible people that Julia mentioned during this episode. And it’s also where you can dismiss your questions. You can also always drop us a note. I see why my of

Julia Craven: I see why I am. I was produced by Daniel Schroeder and Rachel Hampton.

Julia Craven: Daisy Rosario is our senior supervising producer and Alisha montgomery is Slate’s VP of Audio. See you online.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Or on a hot girl walk.

Julia Craven: Stop putting quotes on fucking posters like.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And lets off the cat saying Hang in there hanging from a tree. I don’t want to see it.

Julia Craven: I don’t even like her. She can fall. She can take a fucking tumble.