Did Deplatforming Andrew Tate Work?

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hi, I’m Rachel Hampton, and you’re listening to I See. Why Am I? In case you missed it, Slate’s podcast about Internet culture and it is officially Mariah Carey season. To be clear, it is always Mariah season in the Hampton household. Always be my baby will always be about my all. It’s my everything. But now that spooky season has officially ended, it’s now time for the rest of y’all to get on the train and celebrate Mariah season. And to usher in good tidings of great joy. The Queen of Christmas herself has blessed us with what might be the most iconic video that I feel I must share with all of you.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So what’s happening in this video at the beginning is Mariah Carey, instead of riding a broomstick, is riding a exercise bike, and the days of October are ticking down around her. She’s in all black. And then we hit November 1st and she transitions into that high note and into her Christmas, where the hashtag is hashtag Mariah season. And you know what? She’s right.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Unfortunately, that is all the good news we have for today, because in case you missed it, things are a little bit grim right now. Elon Musk is charging real American dollars for verification. Starting next week, the sun will be setting before 5 p.m. here in New York. The word midterms sends me into an existential crisis. And after being banned from almost every single social media platform, Andrew Tate is still making bank. And that’s what today’s show is about, not daylight savings, which should be abolished.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: But Andrew Tate this past summer was the first time a lot of the world was exposed to the former professional kickboxer and self-described misogynist. Yes, he’s self-described as misogynist. You can guess where this is going. He rose to prominence espousing heinous views about women like they belong in the home they can’t drive and are a man’s property, to name a few. While it is true that I can’t drive, I don’t think that has anything to do with me being a woman.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: A large portion of his audience are children, and teachers have warned that his content is radicalizing a generation of schoolchildren into bigotry. It’s again, grim. We actually spent a long time in this show trying to figure out how to cover Tate without playing or elevating any of his content. And then in August, as we were debating, the choice was made for us because Tate was the platform by Facebook, Tok, YouTube and Instagram. As I said before on the show, I’m a fan.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: De-platforming. I think it works. However, I did wonder what would happen to Tate audience once his content wasn’t as freely accessible. And a new BuzzFeed investigation by Ikran to hear answered my question in the worst possible fashion by suggesting that rather than silo Tate, what De-platforming did was offer a financial boon by driving his supporters to enrol in his Hustlers University. Yes, that is the real name. After a short break, I will be back to talk with Ikran about Hustlers University De-platforming and who the next Andrew Tate might be.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And we’re back with both of you. Internet culture reporter Day here, who recently wrote a incredible piece on Andrew Tate who are UK listeners might actually recognize from Big brother. Ikran Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Of course. Okay. So my first question is very important, which is, are you going to say on Twitter now that Elon Musk is officially in charge?

Speaker 2: Yeah, my side of Twitter was essentially just stand tall anyway. I mean, it’s like a bubble away from the media Twitter that’s like insanely angry about it. I mean, it affects me like with like, I guess the increase of the N-word or something like that. So I’m not looking forward to potential doxing, but I’ll definitely not be paying.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: That was my next question. Are you going to pay for 99 to stay verified? We’re not even a month to say verified.

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Speaker 2: I do not care. Impersonate me.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, right. So the theme of the show today is apparently Terrible Men, because we’re here to talk about a piece you wrote called Andrew Tate Hustlers University 2.0 has made at least $11 million in just one month. If this was a phenomenal piece. Second, I do have to ask, are you okay with what’s going on?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I’m good. I remember at one point like telling a friend, like, if I was more impressionable, I would probably not be okay. But I think having had the experience of just being in, like, the worst places on the Internet, I’ve made it out fine. It was very easy to separate from reality. But I could see what the appeal was, definitely. They were all like good friends in a way, even though they were complete strangers, just like a fandom. They thought in the same way. They planned things in the same way. And I guess if at one point it was very like energetic, but as he was like deplatformed and times unknown, it just sort of died down. But yeah, I did the courses.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Okay, we’re definitely going to get into the courses. But before we do that, how would you kind of describe Andrew Tate like whole thing? How is it different from like a Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson?

Speaker 2: I think he has no real political element in a way. And he doesn’t actually have a personal stance on things, as it seems. He just acts in a way that’s considered macho and traditionally male and something just that a lot of guys can look up to and try to become. Sometimes it just appears he’s just speaking in clickbait in a way. Like he says, like the wildest thing. And unless you listen, you’ll never realize he doesn’t actually mean the crazy wild thing. But everyone else is so captivated by the wild thing. He says that they fixate on that and they end up believing in that way and they possess those behaviors. And sometimes I just think maybe his following is more dangerous than him.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: MM Could you give an example of like the wild thing that he says that he may or may not believe in?

Speaker 2: Well, I guess he probably does believe that women should cook, but I don’t think he probably sees as a field and or of cooking of making food because in his videos it seems as if if he cook, you’re losing time. Time that you could be using to be rich. And I’m sure I’m pretty sure he’s making like a pass or two. There’s just no way.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: There’s no way he hasn’t made a single meal in his life.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. There’s no way. There’s no way he’s always getting takeout or getting a woman to cook.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I mean, the amount of money that you said that he made, maybe always getting takeout.

Speaker 2: Oh, my God. DoorDash is just stacking up.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: He has his own personal DoorDash person.

Speaker 2: Probably. I mean, he flew over a car because he got banned of Uber to Dubai.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What do you mean? He flew over a car.

Speaker 2: Like a Bugatti? I don’t even know how to say this, how broke I am. But he flew over from Europe to Dubai because he has post on the right wing social media app was like I got banned of. So I bought my own car and it was like a picture of the car and like the flight route screenshot of it. And like says how the rich live.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Apparently just shipping cars across country, across border.

Speaker 2: And saying, I didn’t even know that was possible.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: You know, everything’s possible when you have money. So I guess getting rich seems to be his main kind of export. What other what’s his. Ideology that his followers are really kind of espousing.

Speaker 2: That they live in the Matrix and they need to make their way out. And it’s the Matrix that’s enslaving them and preventing them from being rich. They’re a wage slave broke because they’re stuck in the matrix. But if they do what he does and how there’s like a gazillion side hustles, you too can be rich. You too can break out the matrix. Mm. So it’s a whole new thing that’s like after Justice University. It’s like a campaign, like a call out to or it’s not really men. He doesn’t specify men, really, but he talks about being a man and becoming rich a lot. So I guess that’s why he attracts the male generations. But it’s literally just like, sign up for $49 now or you’ll be paying 129.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, okay. And before we get into that, how did you first start like reporting the story? How long have you been following Tate as a figure in general?

Speaker 2: I heard about take like in March this year. I mean, I knew existed in like the UK Celeb Big Brother and stuff like that years ago. Yeah, but I didn’t pay attention to him like all these young men have until March, which is when a few of my friends would, like, send a video like, look what this guy is saying on Tik Tok. But I didn’t associate his face with his name until like much later down the month. And I’m just like, Oh my God, this is the same guy over and over and he’s going crazy viral, but it’s not on his own account, like what’s happening here?

Speaker 2: That’s when I connected the dots that it was like a bunch of men using affiliate marketing schemes to try and get their own money by posting him and then having like their bio, but like a referral thing just to later explain how they do that. And it’s just so it’s kind of fascinating, I guess. And it’s a very cheap way of marketing. It’s not Billboard.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: It’s free. Yeah, in fact, they’re getting money from people.

Speaker 2: In that.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Market. You because it’s $49 a month and then you wrote that much of the content featuring hate that went viral across platforms. The summer was created as free advertising by those in Hustlers University 2.0. So people are enrolling in Hustlers University for 4999, and part of the courses is creating marketing, which is how the rest of us found out about him. Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So that part of his server was like before I joined, but it was apparently called like affiliate marketing and they would join it, download videos, learn how to edit, and then they would just post these like incredibly edited videos and they edited kind of like mini crack videos, like, you know, with a text and like dramatic music and zoom ins and very much like almost like a fan cam. Is like there’s this billions of takes on the internet. And it’s weird because that is how he ended up losing everything. Like he doesn’t have access to most of the world anymore because that did so well. It’s interesting. I wonder if if he didn’t have that part of his marketing, would he have still been on the Internet? Possibly.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What do you mean? That that that’s what ultimately led to his downfall.

Speaker 2: Because he was being so viral. It kind of like. But women to the spotlight for he became a name to go after.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: You also wrote the going viral for Being the platform has actually been a huge financial boon for states. Yeah. In some ways this seems very counterintuitive because the way this is going is like these people are paying money to join this university. They’re then making marketing for Tate Tate then give the platform because the content is so bad and people start latching onto him and then he makes more money from being Deplatformed.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So 200,000 people were in the server when I left. That’s a lot of people that is.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And they have to pay to be there, right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So I can’t do math that fast. But 200,000 times 40 99a month is a lot of money.

Speaker 2: Yeah. That ended up being the exact figure was like 200 and something on a being around 11 million. And we can’t tell if they only paid for one month or if they paid for more because he wouldn’t give back to us. He could have been even richer. And I had learned that. Guess I’ll never.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Know.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So tell me a bit about your experience in Hustlers University. What were the what was the class like over the course of like.

Speaker 2: So the most popular course was the copywriting course, and it didn’t need any money to stop or do anything. So that’s the one I signed up to first. And it was just like this man talking me through the basics of writing, like for marketing and how to write an email. And then as the course continues on, I think it’s like 8 to 10 classes, I’m not sure. But you do the survey to the quiz, and then when you do the survey, you get like homework to work. Mm hmm. And once you do that, you can put it in the server. Or to be honest, you don’t really have to do. I didn’t do any of the work. I just looked at it like, okay, I know how to write anyway. Yeah. And so the next lesson and towards the end they teach you how to mass market like people at the end of it are like they become professional spammers.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Great.

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Speaker 2: Because they teach you how to, like, find emails and then how to email this many people at the same time.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hmm. So is this why? Oh, my God. I’m just thinking of all the random text I’ve gotten letter just spam. And I’m like, Oh.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hustlers University.

Speaker 2: Who knows? The emails, most likely, But the texts, I think they tell them, like, make sure you look into it what the legal thing is in your country. I haven’t I have not signed up to any of the actual texting things, but that would have been insane. Can you imagine if it was like a 14 year old kid.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Had just texted me, Oprah has a new sweepstakes for you. So this is copywriting cause is that all that the has that the only cause?

Speaker 2: No. Well so I didn’t do I had a look around like the e-commerce, Amazon, all that stuff. I really felt like I actually needed money Money. The only one that I felt like I could kind of like sneak not sneak in, but have a look and do the courses and was the stock’s one because at the end of the day, that’s down to you making your own account and investing. So I did the lessons for that and it’s really like great him saying, what does this word mean and what is that like? It was literally like a child being taught business in a way.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Uh huh.

Speaker 2: So if you come in to the server having already done stocks, then there’s no point really. And then in the server there was somebody giving tips on what to invest in. So once you’ve done that, once you’re done like three, you were given access to the tips part of the server where you were able to get tips from one of the stocks professors. And he would like cryptically say what’s becoming. What’s a good investment right now and when they should drop it.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Who are these professors?

Speaker 2: That’s the thing. Take claims. They are all rich men earning tens of thousands, if not a hundred thousand a month.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Hmm. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2: And that’s qualification from. From all I know. We don’t know about the degrees. It’s just. It’s not very clear.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Is any of that money verified? Like, how do you know that you’re not just being taught, but because there are children in these servers? How do you not know that you’re not being taught by a 14 year old?

Speaker 2: They do videos. Okay. So they’re on video or they do like a voice. So, you know, it’s a grown man. It’s definitely, I think, a voice. So like it was something going on that it’s definitely grown men, but it could be his bestie from down the road, like you’ll never know.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And so are the courses. The real draw of Hofstra University or is there’s like a massive Discord server where you were talking before that, like 200,000 people in it.

Speaker 2: Yeah. So the general one that you join when you pay is the 200,001. And then within the server you are linked to other servers depending on which topic you want to do. So if you join the copyright in one, then you join one with like 100,000 people and there’s a general chat and you can talk about copywriting. So I think what’s been really attractive for most people is probably not just the learning but simply like minded people that they speak to. So these are like minded people who are also making money from hosts university and they can like talk to each other. One of the guys I interviewed says he hired people from his university. So I guess it literally is just a LinkedIn.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: That’s what this is sounding like more and more to me, more than a school of any sort.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What’s the kind of tenor of the conversation in this discord like, I mean, Andrew Tate blew up for most people because of, like, the incredibly misogynistic things that he was saying. Is that what the, like, Discord felt like?

Speaker 2: Um, it depends on what they were talking about. Sometimes people just see literal, very deep advice. Like they will ask about a divorce or, oh, that, that their parents arguing or what people do in the gym is so varied. But every now and again someone will be like, Hey, I want to leave. I want to stop paying. How do I do that? Mm hmm. And someone will reply with something like, Be ashamed. And other people are like, Are you sure? And then they were just, like, reactive, like weird emojis or whatever. And then that person eventually does leave. I think, most of the time. But otherwise, they were like servers for push ups, just people doing push ups and posting videos of themselves having done push ups.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So it’s just a lot of videos of people doing push ups.

Speaker 2: Yeah. And people would react with like the g emoji. So it’s like, you know, you’re a G.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What’s with the G?

Speaker 2: Well, Andrew Tate is top G.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Of course. Is.

Speaker 2: Yes. And they all want to be top GS.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And so they.

Speaker 2: This is their quest on how to become a top g.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I’m learning so much about how to become a top g, but I do think we need to take a quick break. Afterwards, we’ll be back to talk more about Andrew Tate, his schemes and the community he has built.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And we’re back. So we’ve been talking about the kind of business of I don’t even know how you would describe it, masculinity, influencer, Andrew Tate. But I think we should maybe get more into the people who are actually paying real dollars to listen to him. The thing about Andrew Tate and his followers is that like when you think about it too hard, it’s like kind of terrifying. But when you describe it, it sounds so funny.

Speaker 2: It’s funny, but it’s lowkey sad. Sometimes I was reading it like, Do you guys have real life friends? Do you need therapy?

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I mean, in a lot of ways this feels like it’s substituting in for community. And I mean, famously men are lonelier than ever and communities like these are filling the gap of real life relationships. But it’s also like, what are you finding here? Like advice on how to invest and innovative and push ups?

Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s I guess COVID and lockdown has made people more isolated than ever. And a lot of things that used to exist event wise just don’t exist anymore. I guess men don’t really go up to other men to be friends, maybe, but they do it online on the server all the time. And it was kind of wholesome in a way, seeing them become friends. And then it was also at the same time like, do you all share these views or do you know? I remember at one point someone being like other women in the server, and I was thinking, Yeah, either because I didn’t see I didn’t see any. If they were, they were in disguise.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I mean, that makes sense. I don’t know what it would if you’re being shame for leaving, I don’t know what it would like to be a woman on one of these servers.

Speaker 2: You can leave quietly, just like click the unsubscribe link. But I guess I just kind of want clarity on how to do these things.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And that’s a good place to their actual children. And this discord, right? Like you encountered real life children.

Speaker 2: Yeah, there were kids saying things like, Hey, my parents think I have been like, brainwashed by an influencer, so they want me to leave. What should I do? And they were all like, Yeah, just leave, you know? Like, it’s fine. Just try learn as much as you can. They were actually very encouraging and nice or like when they had in the UK we have this thing called GCSE results day and 16 year olds get their exam grades. Mm hmm. And some of them would be like, Oh, I don’t know if I should continue on to like college and stuff. I don’t know if I should say in education. And then they’ll be like, You should stay in education. Yes. Get your degree. Keep learning. And it was just like, Oh, they really mean well, sometimes.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: This is kind of the opposite of what I expected after reading your book.

Speaker 2: There are strange things on there, but I like on the last day Discover there was a no fap survey. I guess obviously that’s not something I would have thought about. Like when I was looking around, but I was just like, Oh wow.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What a no fat server.

Speaker 2: Fap.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Fat.

Speaker 2: Because of all the words I was searching to see what people were talking about. This does that was like the last on my mind.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah, that’s fair. Could you explain what that service for?

Speaker 2: Well.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh.

Speaker 2: It’s where men are encouraging each other not to masturbate.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: For what purpose?

Speaker 2: To ensure that they are. Clean and. Organic, intact, kind of I don’t know how select to describe it what they believe that it’s immoral and they’re losing I guess kids.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: But I think that’s just going to be an explanation. We’re going to get about no fat because that that doesn’t like most things don’t doesn’t really make sense in terms of like a coherent ideology.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Um, I’m curious since you you saw how big this discord got after he was the platform. Do you think De-platforming works as a method?

Speaker 2: Yes and no, because if you don’t deplatform someone it’s easier to monitor them. Mhm. But then at the same time, social media companies can drop the ball like look at January six, like the primary that was all over Facebook. That’s, that’s wild.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I guess we will never know what happens on pockets of the internet like, especially now we have Twitter communities like I’m in one and I can tweet and no one can see what I’m tweeting on my timeline. So that’s kind of crazy. It’s like a secret bubble.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah.

Speaker 2: It’s there’s no winning. I do think people literally some people are like, who is he when he got Deplatformed?

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah, it is. And he got to be Platformed That was kind of the moment that he I had been keeping up and we had been trying to figure out how are we going to cover him, cover him on the show without basically elevating what he was saying. And my primary question when he got deplatformed was, is this just going to activate his audience more and kind of silo them in a place where most people can’t see what’s happening? And that seems to be exactly what has happened, and that almost seems worse than him being out in the open.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess. There are ways of keeping tabs on those circles to it’s it doesn’t seem like it’s too hard to be infiltrated, but there’s also a lot of work and just hoping that they don’t do anything criminal.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Here’s hoping.

Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I feel like there’s like some good eggs in there that sometimes question some of the things that are said. So maybe that that will happen. Because at one point when loads of people left off to take DEPLATFORMED and affiliate marketing was like they got rid of it. Mm hmm. Some people turned out they were just there for the affiliate marketing. They don’t really care about anything. And other people left because they realize they don’t actually agree with anything that was happening.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So he first got the platform. There was a drop off in numbers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: And then it increased.

Speaker 2: Yes, it massively increased after when people realized because when I tried to join, you couldn’t join. So it would be like a countdown. That was like a countdown. And it was like there were no spots available. So you had like little spots come up. So I literally had to wait every day. I was like, refreshing.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Let me in.

Speaker 2: Totally. So I can imagine that he gets, like, gradually let people in.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mm hmm.

Speaker 2: And that’s what led to, like, the exclusivity of it must have made people sign up. But it does look like he himself isn’t on the server. And I don’t know if it’s to prepare for the big move for the new HQ. 3.0 slash the real world. Or if he left to no women. Well, hate to have because I can imagine that it would get shut down if he stayed in.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: That would make sense of all these other platforms are de-platforming him that him being president would make that discord untouchable. You said the next fave.

Speaker 2: Yes. It’s called the Real World. And he really is into the whole Morpheus red pill, blue pill matrix messaging that’s going to be on Telegram.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So great.

Speaker 2: They believe they’ll be able to speak on that more freely. Mm hmm. The the uses of the server because they’re all like, why are we going than people like this? Because we can speak more freely. And I’m just thinking, Hmm. This is starting to sound scary now.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Is so the real world. What else does that entail besides moving to Telegram from Discord?

Speaker 2: I guess in the same way, they’ll have the whole servers separate. And so teaching them things. Mm hmm. There is already a thing he has on Telegram, and it’s called the War Room that cost about $5,000 to join. Full stop.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Do you just pay $5,000 to enter this telegram room? Yeah. And you get.

Speaker 2: Access to him and other millionaires. So I have this suspicion that that is going to be converted into what will be the real world.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mm hmm. Okay, so that’s what’s next for Andrew Tate. Who do you think is the next Andrew Tate?

Speaker 2: I think in a weird way, that’s going to be one for women.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, no, that doesn’t seem weird to me.

Speaker 2: The way Gen Z. I like switching. It’s not just the men. It’s the girls, too. They’re all like, I want to be a traditional housewife and I want to learn how to use my femininity to get rich.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mm hmm. I want to live the soft life.

Speaker 2: The soft life. But try really hard.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: It seems like a lot of work to live a soft life.

Speaker 2: Exactly. But I think that that messaging of. I don’t want to work. How do I get there financially? I think. I think there will be a woman somehow that will convince girls the same thing.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: No, that makes sense to me. That’s terrifying. But that makes sense to me.

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Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: What’s something you came across in reporting for this story that didn’t make its way into the final piece?

Speaker 2: Oh, my God. So much.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Tell me everything.

Speaker 2: So it Andrew Tate sends out his emails. Mm hmm. He signs them with, like, things he’s trying to sell or whatever. And recently he’s been signing off with, like, $10 to get advice for 5 minutes from select individuals selected by him.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Oh, so not even him.

Speaker 2: I guess randomly, it could be him. But, yeah, that’s a whole other industry.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Ten ways, but $10 for 5 minutes.

Speaker 2: For 5 minutes.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: He might be a genius.

Speaker 2: He on a C? He is a genius. And just before he launched that, he posted this video of this. I don’t know if he’s a kid or just a young man of. Him saying he e-mailed Tate for advice and Tate replied, He’s answering fan mail. Personally, I.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mean, what else is we have to do? He’s making $11 million a month.

Speaker 2: Sure, he has all these side hustles making money for him. And also when they announce the affiliate marketing scheme is over. To lessen the blow on the students, they told him they would buy their accounts.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Like their the Twitter and Instagram account they had made.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: So like these TikTok accounts that were like disseminating all of this Andrew Tate content, they’re offering to buy them? Yup. Did anybody take them up on this?

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Speaker 2: People were asking like, how do we get in touch? So I think they have. Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Yeah. No, this is a brilliant grift. And this is, this is.

Speaker 2: Honestly.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: I really came into this interview being like, Andrew Tate, that idiot. And now I’m like, I think he’s so smart, but also so terrible.

Speaker 2: Him and his whole team, they must have just sat down and thought of all these ways because even if it failed, it wouldn’t have cost a penny. Like this code is free. Yeah.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: This cost them nothing to do. Well, that’s a great place to end. Well, thank you so much for joining us. I’m going to go to think about the genius of this for a long time.

Speaker 2: And honestly, maybe we just need to think of a way to make money.

Rachel Hampton, Rachel Martin: Mm hmm. No, I’ll hit you up after this. We can. We can launch our own Hustlers Academy. Once again, that was Busby Ikran Dahir here, and her piece is called Andrew Tate Hustlers University 2.0, has made at least $11 million in just one month. You should definitely read it.

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