A Dog Called Rex

Listen to this episode

S1: Serious pushed his roughly aside and strode around the table towards Snake whipping his boat as he went, Snape whipped out his own.

S2: Love it. Love it, love it. Amazing.

S3: Welcome back. Thirsty buckets. Hello. Hi, Nicole. Hi, Bill. How are you?

S4: I’m great. I’m great. As a quarantine, there’s a lockdown. Or maybe there isn’t. I feel like it’s a fever dream that we all had collectively and we’re slowly waking up out of it. It’s very midsummer’s night’s dream. But, you know, I’m here. I’m here. I’m upright. I’ve been cooking a lot. And hopefully, once the world opens again, I can cook a lot less and eat meals that were not made by my own hands once again.

Advertisement

S3: Yeah. You know, I kind of feel like we came out of the fever dream of the quarantine lockdown. We’re actually stuck a little bit in it. And then I woke up and like my foot was amputated and the world was burning. And we’re having this revolution going on. And you know that, too. So there’s still a lot happening.

S4: I still feel a little bit written right now. Yeah, I feel like we can have a little uprising as a treat. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exact post quarantine.

S3: But, you know, in the midst of all of this, all of our sickness analogy, we’ve got a little bit of medicine.

S5: Amazing. That was the Milky Way you look and like in the world. And I’m so proud of you for doing equally ashamed as I am proud. It makes me giggle people sugar. So go on that out there like that other way. No, no, no. That was a trash talk.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S3: And so far, we’ve got a special guest with us in our virtual studio today. Bill, who do we have in the House?

S4: Nicole, it is my honor, my privilege and indeed my pleasure to tell you that the person that we have today is none other than Mr. Jason Mantzoukas.

S2: Go wild. Go crazy.

S1: Thing is, I’m thrilled to be here. You sound it. Come on. Here we are. All our Zoome windows are us in our homes where this is the podcasting and how we’re doing it now. And it is very strange time for myriad reasons. A very sad, scary, strange time. So it is, I will say, delightful to be locked away in my closet chatting with U2 today. So a highlight of an otherwise very dark and unsettling day.

Advertisement

S4: Amazing thing. That’s always my aim is to be highlights an unsettling day. So, Jason, I know that this is, like he said, a sort of a difficult time. What have you been doing in quarantine to make yourself feel like a human being?

S1: You know, I I’m I’m starting to get worried that I’m not doing enough to make myself feel like a human being. I feel like I’m slipping into, like, automated life.

S6: I feel like I’m slipping into, like, paring away anything that gives me, like, joy or happiness and just focusing on, like, head down, get through the days. Boom, boom. It feels very sadly. Joy lists because it is you know, I live in Los Angeles. You know, we’ve been a stay at home now. It’s loosened a little bit. But I frankly don’t know that it’s smart that it’s as loose as it is right now. Yeah. And so, you know, I’ve been, you know, sheltering at home for some, I don’t know, 80 since the first week of March. And it feels insane. I’m like just kind of wandering my house. And that’s about it. I’m like, you know, I’m desperate. As you guys were saying at the beginning, I’m desperate to, like, go sit in a restaurant with my friends and just have a lovely dinner and a bottle of wine and, like, catch up. I just I’m finding myself craving, like, the intimacy of my friends, you know, or the people that I love. And that is the thing that is, I will say the hardest for me during all this is just being feeling very detached and adrift from humanity. Who will start to the podcast guy?

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S2: Am I doing it right?

S6: Oh, yes. I mean. I mean, it’s going to get. I mean, I’m concerned that my appearance on podcasts as the quarantine goes on is just going to get darker and darker in in in in my represent. Like, there’s gonna be a timeline of like. Oh, wow. Early on, really cheery and chipper.

S1: But as it get like like the first aid kit is really the breaking point after that. Jason man Zeke is on podcast is just openly weeping for hours, rending his clothes.

S5: Are you a cat person?

S3: Are you able to. I mean, I’m sure you have to travel a lot. Normally, yeah.

Advertisement

S1: But I had a dog. I had a dog for a number of years and then she died. I mean, this is just as she died probably six years ago.

S6: And then kind of to your point, a lot of I started traveling a lot more for work and it started to feel a lot more difficult to maintain. Having a dog, because you would either require like boarding that dog all the time or, you know, having it just felt like it would be contributing to a more chaotic life for the dog. Right now, though, yeah, I wish I did. And have and have now. You know, I know a lot of a lot of people are fostering dogs right now. And for a while they were saying a lot of shelters are empty, which is wonderful. But I have thought about doing that now, kind of assuming I think I can presume right now going forward, it’s still going to be a while until there’s such a time where I’m traveling to the degree that I was you know, I don’t think we’re going to jump straight back into touring the podcast that I do or I don’t think I’m going to. I just I spent three months in London on a job last fall. Like, I don’t think I’m going to be jumping around a lot more. So why not?

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Yeah, that’s I feel exactly the same way. Like, I might as well get a dog. Why not? Yeah. Not going anywhere.

S1: Yeah. And it’s and I mean, and to be selfish about it, you know, would I I genuinely believe I think it would be it would very much improve my mood and to be, you know, and, and hopefully like to get a dog out of a shelter would be wonderful. You know, so you know, it’s a Win-Win. Yeah. Let’s do it. Bam! Let’s do it.

S2: Let’s get dogs. Get a dog there. Are we getting to have a bite? Are we going to share it?

S1: Dog, I mean, it’s the beginning. I know it is the beginning of the podcast, but I’ll do it.

Advertisement

S4: Let’s jump in both feet. But we’ll get dogs. That’s it. Nicole Yo. Feel free to join in offering your house.

S3: I adopted a cat in the middle of all of this. Oh, no. He’s over here in the corner watching me and like the creepy boyfriend she is. She really has, like, saved me because I don’t know what would have happened in the last, like, month and a half if I did not have this other heartbeat with me in my apartment. Yeah. Y’all adopt a dog together? Yeah. I love it. You know, Jason, when you’re traveling, you could just drop it off in New York for burping right here.

Advertisement

S4: Yes. And when I go see family in London, I’ll drop it in L.A.. This is a completely stressful life. Such a dog. So I’m really excited to do.

S1: I am, too. I am, too. I think this is going to be a home run. I don’t know. I say we’ll see. No problem. This is our first meeting, but I’m certain we will be able to co parent together. I don’t know. Without any problems.

Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Precisely. I like that you see the vision so clearly because I do too.

S1: I like taking big leaps.

S5: This is the biggest leap of all. Jump right in. And I did the story. Just let me go with this. This is my dog and. Yeah. I was on a podcast and I just adopted a dog with one of the. Yeah, fine.

Advertisement

S1: It’s great. It’s pretty. It’s pretty weird. Better. You know, it works. We make it work.

S4: That’s that’s the thing that everyone says. We make it work hard, never conventional.

S6: It’s hard work. But I wouldn’t want to raise this dog with anybody else.

S2: You guys buried it. Well, that’s a tiered down to it.

S4: Science. Amazing.

S1: This is where I say, hey, Rex.

S2: Okay, first of all, first of all, I’d say it’s the problem. Rex again. Yes. See, that’s perfect. You say it softly. That’s a dog’s neck. It’s almost the good guy.

S1: It’s too much of a dog, Rex. Come on. Aw. Wow. What else? We see it. We do get to play like we did. I don’t know, like, there’s a lot of ways to play around with Rex. I don’t mind it. OK. I’m at my bar now.

Advertisement

S4: Thank you so much. You see, these are the parenting instincts that we’re gonna need to cut parent this day.

S1: You know, here’s the thing, Ben. We just we just gave a textbook example to your listeners about compromise right along about communication, the tools, open communication, compromise and a willingness to listen. That’s that’s it. That’s a successful podcast hosts podcast guest relationship.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S3: To you. We’ve mentioned your expertise in podcasting already. Can you talk to us a little bit about how you get into podcasting, what your ritual when you are about to get on the mike? Do you have anything to that you normally do to prepare yourself? What’s your what’s your podcasting routine?

S1: No, you know, not really. It is I will say I’m very lucky in that. So I’m one of the co-hosts of How Did This Get Made? A podcast that talks about bad movies.

S6: And I hosted with Paul Scheer and June Diane Rayfield. And it’s usually the three of us, plus a guest. Have we’ve watched a bad movie? Kind of. The idea behind it is we’ve watched a bad movie and that bad movie can be anything from like the room or Bird Demick or like really bad kind of cult movies to we do all the Fast and Furious movies and the meg and fun stuff like that. And so we have a guest on and we will talk about that stuff and what I’m very lucky or will you know, we’ll do it live. We do it in the studio. And for the most part, this is just me and friends. You know, Paul, in June, I’ve known for 20, almost 20 years now. Most of the guests are people like Adam Scott or Nick Croll or, you know, Chelsea Peretti or all these people who are similarly our peer group and our friends. And so I’ll say there is no real preparation other than a willingness to like and in excitement generate genuinely to get onstage or to get into the studio with friends of mine. Because I know that what the show is really is a conversation amongst friends. And that’s what I think people like about the show. And that’s what I like about doing the show. Like, that’s I will say one of the things I’m missing the most in quarantine is performing. I just really I’m a I’m myself an enormous podcast fan. And so I get excited to go on other podcasts to talk to people who are themselves excited about the stuff they’re talking about. And when I was told that you guys your episode was you guys excited about me?

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S1: I was like, well, I. Also very into me. So I’d love to go on this podcast where I was told every episode of your podcast was about me. And that was a. Yeah. Turns out not true.

S4: No, no, no, no. Go back and listen again. They’re all about you. Don’t worry. Some of them are days, but they’re all about. Yeah.

S1: So. So, yeah, I. I was told that you guys had done an episode where you talked about me. So, you know, every night before bed I listen to that section of that episode and listen to your voices. As I drift off to sleep talking about me and my my wiry beard. Oh God.

S4: So it’s remarkable because when you’re recording these episodes, Nicole and I are kind of in our own world. We know what we’re there to talk about. And it sounds weird to say, but I never, ever imagined the person that we’re talking about ever hearing it, like ever. Yeah. So it’s incredibly odd to be speaking to you about you. I’m going to have more questions. But it’s very it’s like once we have the confirmation that you were going to be on. I kind of had like a very mild stroke. Sure. And I thought, OK.

S1: Which must have been very difficult during this time because it’s scary to go to the hospital. So you imagine imagine my distress. Kind of like a very I guess I’ll just, you know, suck it up and have this MYNERS Right.

S4: It was a fraught weekend. Finally, the feeling came back and I felt fine. Now we can record. So here I am. I think I can no longer. I know the left side of my body is active yet again, but I’m always kind of like in a place. It just kind of like, oh, shit.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S1: Now they have to like, oh, and I get it, I get it from, you know, a slightly different perspective. But, you know, I. Cause I, you know, we we talk on our podcast about movies.

S6: You know, so we’re talking about actors or directors or we’re talking about whatever, all the stuff, you know. And then so but I’m also an actor and a writer and I work in this business. So there are times when I’ve been I was in a meeting once and when I was sitting on the couch, you know, kind of looking around at the beginning of the meeting, I noticed that all of the books on a shelf were all of the books by the author Jodan Lesbo, which is like a series of crime books that I think are from like Sweden. I can’t remember what Scandi Scandic, one of those Scandinavian crime series. Right. And and I was like, oh, hang on. I know we did one of those on the podcast.

S1: And I just I just kind of clocked it and I was like, OK, I don’t care. And then we kind of kept going. And in the middle of the meeting, talk turned to podcasts in general. And how what a what is surprising? You know, a big part of societal pop culture is not podcasts. And everybody’s sharing podcasts the way they used to share TV or movie recommendations and blah, blah, blah. And this is that. And I if somebody asked if I had a podcast, I said I did. And I started to describe it. And the woman who I was having a meeting with said, oh, I feel like I’ve heard that podcast before. And I was like, oh, here we go. And then I was like, and it’s like, oh, yes. We did an episode on the movie The Snowman, which you have on your bookshelf over there. And she was like and you could see it wash across her face because she was like, oh, oh, I did listen to that episode of that. I said, like, oh, no. And it was really it led to a very funny conversation. But I was for a moment like, oh, right. We talk about this stuff.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S6: Obviously, we talked about this stuff and knowing full well, because we ourselves, we’ve been in bad movies, we and we we know what’s up. We’re trying we’re not trying to tear anything down. We’re trying to, like, celebrate things that have gone awry or things that aren’t working. But. But that was a moment. I was like, oh, okay, here we go.

S4: If it isn’t the consequences of my. Oh, not exactly.

S1: But, you know, and it was really it was a it really was a funny not ice breaker, but it was like a funny moment in that meeting of sharing this kind of shared experience.

S3: Well, to go back to your wiry beard that you listen to us wax poetic about, oh, you guys you guys missed it.

S1: It was so big last week. I trimmed it last week because I hadn’t cut it at all. And it was like he was like here. It was enormous.

S3: Like, it will look like some Duck Dynasty shit.

S1: Yeah, that’s good. Yeah. Total Duck Dynasty. Yeah. Total Duck Dynasty, which was and I had to truly because I started to because it was so Duck Dynasty, I started to have like, like right wing views as a result. I think the beard or the beard was somehow informing me politically. I don’t know.

S5: My God, this is the beginning of a movie. It’s called the Conservative Beard. Oh, my God. Amazing.

S3: So a lot of people like that wild beard and, you know, obviously consider you what we call the first object. And I want to know we want to know, like, how does that make you feel that people are out there? Like, I’m going to risk it all for Adrian Pimento. I’m going to risk for Derek, you know? How does that make you feel?

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S1: You know, it’s a funny thing to be objectified in that way in a way that is, without a doubt an enormous compliment. You know, of course, I want people to thirst after me. I guess that is OK. So let me start by saying I am not a social media person. I don’t have any social media. And so even the concept of 13 or a thirst or a thirst trap, we had to be explained to me like fairly recently. I mean, not less. Let’s see, within the last year, someone had to explain to me what a thirst trap was. And then I understood what was going on. So so, you know, it’s a funny thing. It’s really strange. So I’m not because I’m not dialed into that kind of that kind of conversation that happens online.

S6: I’m only made aware of it when it pierces through. And so, like a couple of years ago, somebody wrote an article that was basically like the the thesis of which was a couple of three women basically trying to convince either each other or themselves that I’m hot or that I’m sexy.

S1: I can remember what it was, but it was like the tenor of it was hear me out. Guys, I know this sounds crazy, but I think that Jason Mantzoukas might be hot. Question mark. Question mark. Which is like which which is. Which is, yes. A compliment, but also an insult. It’s also like if I if I ever see it, like if it ever gets through to me, it will be somebody saying some version of what’s wrong with me. I think I’m attracted to Jason Man Zuokas, which is like, hang on. I would like to think nothing’s wrong with you. Why do you have to be. Why? Why why do you have to presume that you are a broken person to find me attractive?

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S5: Well, you know, I think part of that is because of the character that you play, like out there and why. Oh, how dare you?

S3: Nicole, how dare you know it’s hard for women, you know, at least from what I experience to admit, being attractive, attractive to someone who, you know, has had a lot of experience being homeless and trains the war on drugs.

S1: I mean, here’s the thing. Those are the characters, those characters I play. This isn’t like, hey, hear me out. Call me crazy. But I think that Roffey from the league is hot. That would be insane. That would be an insane thing to say. Ravi, the. I know people.

S4: I know people who do fancy Rafie.

S6: So, you know, give them my number. Just kidding.

S1: But but they’re saying about me, the person they say, I think Jason man, Zuleika’s is hot and it’s like I would like an exclamation point at the end of that sentence, not some sort of shame. Questionmark. Talk me out of this, please. Oh, you’re in a sense, this sweater talks. Yeah. And to me, something must be wrong.

S2: Wait, wait. No, no, no. I’m not saying I’ve done this.

S4: I’m saying I understand why people do it. Because I may recall, as you listen to our podcast, which, again, I could not bring myself to listen to again, knowing we were going to speak to you because I thought, oh, God, I probably said some truly disrespectful things. And there was no way you as an actor and as a person was filmed. So sorry. I’m so sorry. The thing is, like there are times like I don’t have Twitter at the moment, but there was a time when maybe every week I would tweet about. I was thinking of whatever I was tweeting about. And then just as an endpoint, I would just put in brackets, God, today I remembered Adrian Pimento and I just I just love for 10 minutes at the end of that 10 minutes. I just thought to myself, God, I fancy him so much.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S1: I met him. It was a mistake. I’m not ready. I knew I wasn’t ready to go back to being police jelly job I’ve ever had. Super bagging groceries at the supermarket at the corner of Atlantic and Clinton. I guess I could go back to that again. Paper or plastic?

S4: Still got it. And it wasn’t Adrian I was talking about. It was clearly you. But my point is, every time I did that, people on Twitter would be like, oh, my God, same. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So it’s kind of like there was like a whole bunch of stuff. And, you know, you’d mentioned like Chambal, it’ll be I promise you, once we did the episode, the inbox, the Twitter, the Tumblr, people saying what they wanted to do to you. Or with you. Or even near you. And it was just kind of like, I don’t know if that’s legal, friend, but. OK. There was a lot of there was a lot of conversation, a lot of filthy stuff about your bed in particular. Oh, boy. Yes, I know. Just some things you put in your back pocket like you’re walking around.

S1: Remember, in your whatever, you’re just like wondering the homeless because you put it in my front pocket.

S2: I was comfy. I mean, I should put it in somebody’s front pocket. I’m not sure.

S6: I don’t know what kind of show you guys are running here.

S3: I think it was a moment on the league where Roffey comes out of the pool and it goes into slo mo.

S1: I may have been confused with something else, but, you know, I know what you’re talking about. It is nothing to give. It’s not the league. Yeah, it’s not the league. It’s an episode. You know what it is? It’s it’s from an episode of Cruel Show on Comedy Central, where the sketch is called O Gigolo House, where we’re all male. Gigolo is living in a house together. And I think that I’m coming out of a pool is from the opening and the promo. I think the opening credits are the title sequence of that. I think that’s what that is. Yeah.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Yeah. So I bring that up that Flomo moment, because I want to know, do you want to have more like slow motion, hot, you know, shots of yourself so that we can see more.

S1: Here’s what I’ll say. Here’s what I’ll say. You know, I’m constantly play. I get cast, as you mentioned, a lot to play, you know, maniacs and crazy people and, you know, loose cannons and, you know, whatever whatever kind of descriptor you want to use.

S6: Wild card is used a lot.

S1: Gross perverts, you know, monsters, charming, hopefully lovable monsters. But, yes, I mean, to to your question, I would like to be considered to play that both the guy that the girl wants to date, you know, like, why can’t I be like I’m in one of the side stories in like the romantic comedy, How to Be Single. And I’m just a guy that runs a bookstore and marries Allison Aubrey in that movie. And to me, I’m like, why can’t I do more of that? Like, that’s nobody was like up in arms when that happened. Nobody was like, no, we won’t allow that. You know, it’s it’s fine. So. Yeah. No, I’d love to. I wish that I was considered more for roles like that, for roles in which I’m not the guy who sadly, though I think it is a lot of times I am cast as the guy that’s like, well, after she broke up with that guy and decided to go crazy. She dates this guy who is the worst.

S4: You know, I will say after after I sell sleeping with other people. I did think to myself, call. That seems like a really lovely marriage. Those two characters.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S6: Yeah. That was a guy I love. That’s Leslie Headlands movie, sleeping with other people who also did Russian Doll. And, you know, so many other great things. She’s wonderful. And and yeah. Those scenes. So Andrea Savage and I play a man who who does the show I’m sorry, on Tru TV play that kind of sleeping with other people Hedlund always used. Just describe it as when Harry Met Sally for assholes and it is the and the main couple in it. It’s if it’s when Harry Met Sally. So the main couple, the you know, the primary couple you’re following our Sidiq is who you guys also talked about in the episode of your show. Were you thirsted over me.

S5: It sounds like we should have just dedicated a whole episode. I feel like I get y y y you see an episode.

S1: Listen, I. I’m good. Listen, I’m glad I came second. I’m glad I was. I’m glad I was the headliner. I’m glad that, you know, in the episode Sudeikis. Oh.

S6: You guys opened with today’s show but so it’s he and Alison Brie are the kind of the main couple you’re following. And then Andrea Savage and I are the kind of Carrie Fisher and Bruno Kirby in When Harry Met Sally, the married couple that are their friends, who they kind of go to for advice and stuff. And we, you know, Headly, we’ve you know, we’ve all known again, I’ve known Headlam for years. I’ve known Andrea Savage for years. So it really was a very come to end and Sudeikis and Bree. And, you know, it’s another one of these things where because I’m doing it with friends and because there’s so much of an ease with everybody there was that we did, especially Savage and I did a lot of improvising, did a lot of like, really fun, weird long takes like that ending end credit scene.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: I love me and pregnancy.

S6: We literally just set up real quick on the street and just improvised.

S7: I’d be shocked if they made it at all. I mean, the sex thing is a ruse. We’re having trouble. Cold feet, second thoughts. Second thoughts. They literally just got back together. I know. But now they have to have this whole sex thing. I don’t know. First of all, we had sex at the last minute right before we got. I don’t think that’s true. Really? You don’t remember someone sneaking into my room right before who are murdered?

S4: I really loved. I also really liked that they were sources like the lived and experience of the main couple like. Once they settle down, this could be a sort of vision of the future. I just I really loved, like you said, the crackle. It made me smile. It looks kind of like every and everything, every so often, you know, your character would say something. And, you know, I’m just a character would kind of say something like, that’s not true. And you can see just like a little bit of just kind of like this couple has been together forever. And you can just see just kind of what I really loved you.

S6: Oh, thank you. And I love that, too. And I get so many. That’s one of the things that I do get a lot of lovely feedback about, because people I think that oftentimes in those movies, the married couple represent like the misery of marriage, you know, that that they are jerks. They are used to it to juxtapose to the single people the pitfalls or the dangers or the the cautionary tale that the married friends who hate their spouse, the you know, Bob. Oh, that’s like that cool. That kind of that’s the trope that normally exists. And I think what was great about sleeping with other people is that Headlam really wanted to have a happily if if overwhelmed and harried married couple, you know, people who’ve who’ve been with each other and still want to be with each other, but ah, but have two kids and are overwhelmed and it’s a lot, you know. And so, yeah. And it’s so that I feel like representing like a successful long term marriage complete with its problems and bickering and stuff like that, was really fun to try and realize while still also being obviously funny, you know.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Yes. All that to say, if you were to receive a script for a rom com, you shouldn’t 100 percent please leap at it, because not just us. A whole a whole swathe of people would very much like to see. Oh, so, yeah, I’m I’m in.

S6: I mean, like, I’m, I’m so in. I’m also because like I love romantic comedies like that that those are. And I find myself, you know, I find myself in quarantine, vacillating between like romantic comedies and also like action movies from my childhood. You know what I mean? Like aliens and stuff that was like some stuff that feels like what was on cable when I was a teenager, you know, that somehow feels like, OK, I know what this is. I’m OK. I’m just gonna sit back right now. I’m going to watch Total Recall. Everything’s gonna be fine.

S4: Exactly. Before he became governor. Yeah. You know, that blissful fear.

S1: Yeah. And then. And then I’ll be flipping through channels and be like, oh, love actually is on done. I’m going to watch this. And only so I can see my queen, Emma Thompson.

S5: I’m like, good. I was hoping you were going to say that. See, that’s the best.

S1: Is like it’s like this she she just delivered it opens and she opens the Joni Mitchell C.D.. It is. And it’s. Oh, it’s devastating. It’s it’s it’s devastating. It’s devastating. I could talk about that, that scene forever. She’s a male. Oh yeah. I mean, I can talk about how into Emma Thompson I am for the rest of the show. I am. I am. Here’s the pull quote. I am horny for Nanny McPhee.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S2: There it is.

S3: But we do it and we always ask the people that we interview on this show when we are talking about, you know, making a romantic movie, you know, if they’re going to do what, they can use their clout to make sure that their leading lady is a black woman. Because, you know, we don’t often get to see black women in rom coms as the lead is the one getting the love.

S4: Yeah, right. Whatever, man. The best friend there in the lovely. The best friend. The the wise woman. Oh, this little sage. Yeah. Yeah.

S3: So, you know, we can see some black woman, a black woman running her fingers through your beard.

S5: You know, happily if she looks like bad or if she looks like me, that could be the just those guys.

S6: Oh, I listen. All I want is a rom com with me and Lupita, like, let’s do that.

S4: You go like I’m writing it right now. I’m going to log off this interview. Right. Like open up the final draft. Let’s go. Right.

S1: You know, I think I don’t I think that’s I mean, I think that’s doable. Right?

S4: I mean, why not tell me to have me out? So it begins with Lupita hosting a podcast. Right. Great. And she mentions a dog called.

S1: Right. I’m into me. Excellent. OK, we’re ready. It’s like. It’s like. It’s like Must Love Dogs meets. It’s kind of sleepless in Seattle because we’re on separate sides of the country. Sure. Sure. Right. Naturally so. OK. We’re gonna have to meet at Prospect Park in Brooklyn. Dun dun sold. I’ll be there.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S5: Listen, I’ll be there. I’m writing it right now.

S6: Young writing it right now where you enter from the Prospect Heights section. I’ll enter from Zip Miss and we’ll meet in the middle.

S2: I that what Rex Bocking between us this is. Oh my God.

S1: You know what. We’ll get. I’ll just. Yeah. How about this. We’ll just both wander. Prospect Park shouting Rex Ryan. That’s until we find each other and then we’ll go and adopt the dog.

S4: Oh, my gosh. Wow. I’m laughing, but I’ve actually I’ve already I’m already two thirds of the way.

S1: I somehow just want him. I feel like Lupita is no longer in this movie and it’s just you and me.

S2: And this is not a movie. What makes you think. God damn it. You see my rules.

S1: I mean, Sotho honest question. Are we really doing a podcast right now or is this all some sort of elaborate rigging? Labra to get me to sign onto this Wrex situation?

S5: This is it. I’ve actually this is the point where I bring in. Right. Come on. No.

S3: So to go back to these action movies that you’re watching from your childhood, are these places where you kind of found figured out like your models of masculinity and like who you wanted to, like, be like the kind of man of the kind?

S1: No, no, not really. I would say, if anything, they serve more as like comfort food, you know, things that I’ve seen before that I don’t have to pay full attention to that I can kind of have on in the background. You know, I think for me, I identified with or felt a lot more of an affinity to or an interest in the men of my time who were comedians or comedic actors.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S6: You know, I didn’t look to the you know, you know, Sylvester Stallone or the action stars of that era did not. We’re not three dimensional. They were you know, those are those are the kind of Marvel movies of that time. They are just action. They are just more often than not. There’s no love stories like this. Stuff that I loved, you know, were were, like I said, like a lot. And a lot of those rom coms like that, kind of like that golden era of rom coms from Nora Ephron and all that’s like the movies of that era were, you know, kind of overlapped perfectly with my growing up and stuff, or like the screwball comedies, you know, as like a film person like this screwball comedies, the Preston Sturges movies or his Girl Friday or that kind of rapport, that kind of that kind of back and forth. Spencer Tracy and Katharine Hepburn, you know, that kind of rat a tat tat. Yeah, it’s what I like about Amy Sherman. Palladino shows like Gilmore Girls or Marvelous Simpsons Masel. It’s what I like about, you know, a lot of those. That’s the kind of I think those are more the models that I always wanted to feel like I was part of that. And a little bit of what I’m describing with Andrew Savage in sleep, sleeping with other people, rather, has that kind of rat a tat tat back and forth banter. And that’s, if anything, what I found more of a kinship to are more aspirational than action stars or whatever. The the overlap, I will say was as a kid, I was obsessed with the show Moonlighting, which is.

S2: Here we go. Oh, I see. I’ll tell you so.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S1: So moonlighting is a at the time in the 80s is a contemporary screwball comedy. Right. Is it Bill Shepard? And it’s the role that it’s the role basically that invents Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis. Yes.

S2: I like God. You know what?

S4: Listen. Wow. You’re coming on next week on the week off. What is going to talk about moonlighting for an ideal guy?

S1: I just start the Moonlighting podcast episode by episode. Let me get to The Taming of the Shrew episode. What are we gonna do? I don’t even know. But I’m going involve. Right. I’m gonna. I want an entire episode just dedicated to Agnes de Pesto. Guys, I’m here for moonlighting.

S4: Oh, my God. I love my life. I think I say this all the time. But I imprinted on Bruce Willis for the longest time. I could not be attracted to someone unless they smoked exactly like Bruce Willis. Smoked as David. Yeah, like I was obsessed with David outas and I feel like he is I’ve I’ve expounded on this theory before, but he is the godfather for so many characters. I feel like without David Addison, there is simply no Nick Miller, a new girl. Yeah. It just doesn’t happen. Like, these people are like direct descendants of a special kind of character. Yeah. David, I think is just like, amazing.

S6: They did such a job. It’s so interesting because he is in that show. So you know it. For people who don’t know, you know, it is a it’s like it’s another it’s a format that doesn’t really exist anymore, which is like it’s an adult private investigator show, which when I was growing up, there were just dozens of, you know, Magnum P.I., Hardcastle and McCormick, Charlie’s Angels, which P.S. I love, you know.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: What’s that? It is this tiny, terrible show. And it was set in a detective agency literally in Malibu, I think. Well, and it was I feel like five people on Earth watch that Washington area.

S6: What, like generally what year would you guess?

S4: Like in mid to late 80s. Okay. Okay. Oh, look, I love reruns. Yeah. Please do. I like it. Stars like Connie Celica. So you melati. Sure.

S2: This just like a real.

S6: This was like a real format then heart to water. Definitely. Well, you know, like, yeah, it’s like we’re rich and married and we solve mysteries. And then there was murder, she wrote, which is very Agatha Christie inspired. Like I’m an old lady in Maine and I’m solving mysteries. Magnum P.I., I’m a Vietnam veteran in Hawaii and I’m solving mystery riptide. We are a Vietnam veterans. Mrs. Keyes, Graham, Mrs. King, Hardcastle, McCormick, Jake and the Fat Man. These are Jake Fatfat, 18.

S1: The equalizer like these are. Yeah. He shows there were so many. So good. And so that kind of will they won’t they. That kind of charismatic Bruce Willis in the show is the wry, you know, quippy, kind of sarcastic, ironic leading man detective like that classic Philip Marlowe, kind of Sam Spade gumshoe. Yeah, they’re the classic Nguoi style private investigator. And the but the actress who’s the owner of the private investigation agency loses all her money at Cybill Shepherd. She comes in to take ownership and they buttheads guys, classic screwball comedy. If you wonder why I’m talking, like watch I watch Adam’s Rib or Woman of the Year or his girl Friday. If you want to see what these move or Philadelphia Story or bringing up baby like Carey, Grant fits this archetype very well as well. Someone who has a light has a light enough touch to be able to pull off the comedy, but is undeniably and this is something that I find a lot. Now in conversation is undeniably a capable man. Yes. A man of action vs. what I think we have a lot of now or what we think about a lot now is men.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S6: Their attractiveness is almost based on how boyish they are. Like a lot of our American leading men are actually boyish in their attitudes.

S1: They’re not like they don’t seem to be. Which is why I feel like when we need men, we go to Australia and England to import, to import like capable men.

S6: It’s like if there’s a man at the front of something that’s like, all right, I guess we got a call, you know, a ham. Chris Hemsworth or or or Tom Hardy or any of the any all the British guys, basic Idris Elba. These are like the men. Yeah. Of now. Like there were there are so few like American men who don’t feel like they’re young boys.

S1: And that’s the thing about David Addison. That’s the thing about about him. In that moment, Bruce Willis goes from being like this, this quippy kind of P.I. to doing Die Hard, which solidifies him as a wisecracking action star. And that, to me, very interesting, you know. Yeah.

S6: I heard is, you know, kind of an amazing movie in that way because it it functions well as an action movie. It also functions as a comedy because he’s very good at that. The same way that. So Beverly Hills Cop does that as well. Very well. Come on, Axl. You know, there’s a bunch of movies from that era where the action has stakes and feels real. There is real you know, people die. There are consequences to people’s actions. But these lead characters, these leading men are still able to have a light enough touch to to to make them seem vulnerable, to make them seem they’re not just killing machines. They’re not do whatever, whatever. You know, that’s not James Bond. Yeah. It’s not just different. It’s a James Bond. It’s not the Terminator. It’s not, you know, the that kind of nonsensical just kind of, you know, action of the other kind of movies like that. When you get Bruce Willis in there, it’s like it’s I don’t know, it’s much more fun, but moonlighting. I’m onboard for our among our Moonlighting podcast.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Sold? Yes.

S3: OK, very quickly, when we talk about Big Mouth. Yeah, and your character on Big Mouth, Jay Bills Arean. Sure. Who?

S4: You know, he was the best boy, right? He’s so sweet but awful.

S1: Which seems to be a theme for you that somehow somehow this is the niece that I have found that I’ve apparently carved.

S3: He doesn’t know. While you’ve been working on this show, even though you are clearly a grown man, so we’re even talking about man and all that. I wanted to know if there’s something that working on the show has made you. Has given you a clearer perspective about in your relationships and the things that you once thought about girls when you were young and women as you got a little older. If it’s helped clear up some confusion for you with some of them possibly antiquated ideas that you once had.

S1: You know, I’m not. Not necessarily. I don’t think the show has prompted me to have, like, realizations or epiphanies about what I think now as much as I think for me.

S6: Boy, do I wish this show or something like it had existed when I was that age I or or even in the years subsequent. I feel like I feel like this is information that I wish I’d had or I’d known. I wish I you know, like I feel like for me it makes me feel a lot more like, oh boy, it was like Jay or some of these other characters are going through stuff that I went through and that I, like, labored over or worried about anxiously for years and years and stuff that is just, you know, doesn’t matter. He really is into like I wish, you know, if anything, I just wish I could tell my younger self to have to watch this show so that I can relax a little bit more as a kid. You know, I’m trying to think if. Oh, you know what? I didn’t know that the show taught me. I didn’t know about periods.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S5: I’m just I’m just kidding way. Okay.

S3: So you were also you’ve done two episodes of Nailed It. The Holiday addition.

S1: I did, yes. Yes.

S3: Can you cook? Can you bake?

S1: I can’t. I don’t know. I can. I just. I just. This is this is a good example. This is just an example of one of the things that I’m very grateful for, which is simply by being a fan, like a vocal fan. They invited me to be a guest judge on the show. And so now have been on twice. And it’s a it’s a blast. It is a blast. It’s such a fun set. It’s such a good group. You know, they have, you know, from Nicole and Jack, who is the kind of the expert baker, a judge. They have such an amazing dynamic. The whole crew is very there. Camaraderie is amazing. Like, it’s a very it’s a very chill, easy set to be on.

S5: Yes. So what’s up with West, though? I mean, he’s a little too Nordic for my taste, but like, you know, he he’s he’s the hunk of the show.

S1: Right. If I’m not on you know, I think West becomes the hunk of the show, you know. Of course, you know, I think when I am on, there’s a lot of people who are like, I don’t know what’s wrong with me. Maybe I maybe I’ve been concussed. But but Jason man Zuokas kind of looks like a snack on this show.

S5: That was an excellent use of the words. Not quite good, Joe.

S1: When was he going to get off? So I can definitively say I’m hot for Wes because he is a traditional view of masculine beauty.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S5: This is like a joke. That’s not a joke. I feel like you’ve had this too many times that it really has done like a little a little bit of it has gone in. Yeah. Like, I just imagine you front of a mirror, just like my horse. And you know what Jason would to tell you? Definitive. Yes.

S1: No. When I look in the mirror, I’m like, they see you for the fraud that you are. You’re disgusting.

S5: What a shock thing. Kind of like Farley, actually. But there’s I am. Pylea is missing.

S1: What’s wrong with you?

S2: What do you do? You use mixed chicks in your hand. Like what is so funny?

S1: You guys said mixed chicks in the podcast. And I have used mixed chicks before.

S2: It’s so I don’t anymore.

S1: But like I would say, as I’m like three years. So I was using mixed chicks every day. Wow. That when you said that on the podcast, I laughed out loud. I was like, Oh, these women really do know me.

S2: I feel seen.

S1: I can, as you also mentioned in your episode previously, that, again, I listen to you both talk about me for, oh, I don’t know. Twenty five minutes talking about. I listen to you talk about my body. I listen. I got my hands. I listen to you talk about what you’d like to do to me. Oh I heard. I heard. I heard all of your innermost thoughts is basically what I’m saying anyway. I’m so sorry. Like I’m not up at night as much as been you might want me to be. I’m night up at night in tidy whiteys doing Taishi. Oh.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S2: Oh my God. No I actually I’ve melted into bars.

S4: So sorry I. I promise you. At no point did I think, oh, one day Jason’s gonna listen to this. I’m gonna talk about. I am so sorry. My heart did. No. No. Not even the most microscopic part that every part of me was kind of like, it’s fine. Jason doesn’t listen to. This is a very busy person. He has lots of shit to do. He has podcasts and whatnot.

S1: And then then you guys invited me to do the plug, but it was kind of like, you know, he’s not he’s too busy. I couldn’t go right. Cause if they send me an email that says you’ve been invited to be on this podcast, here’s a link to the episode where they talk about you on this podcast before I agree to the pike, because maybe I have to listen to it because maybe you guys spend the whole time trashing me. I don’t know. Maybe this is an elaborate setup for a prank of some sort. No, turns out it’s not a prank at all. No. Just a very lovely, wonderful things you said about me and my body and how it moves and how it makes you feel.

S2: When I’m about hopscotch. OK, we’re going to.

S3: And we’re going to add a little bit, too. Sure. What you are by talking about the fact that you play drums, right?

S1: I do. I do. I mean, what do you do? A little less.

S2: Let me let me know. I just I fucked all the way up drums. No, sorry.

S5: Professional. Sorry. Carry on. Sorry. Rhythm. I know.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S2: Shut the fuck up. Nicole, stop this. This is too funny. You can’t tell what I’m blushing still. Are you trying to tell Nicole to log off? So it’s just that. This is a group. You know what, Nicole? Shut the fuck up.

S1: Nurse. How do you how do you put a sock on the Zoome room door?

S2: How do we know? Can we take this to private? How does this work.

S5: Yea. Right. I think, I think everyone’s had enough closet time to get to know. Thanks everybody. Oh my gosh.

S3: Thank you so much for coming on the show.

S6: Oh it’s my pleasure. Thank you guys so much for having me. What a delight.

S4: It really, really was. Can you. For the sake of Internet clarity, where can we find you and your work?

S6: I’m you. I’m not on any social media. So if you want to keep up with what I’m doing, I would say, you know, how did this get made podcast that I’ve been talking about quite a bit here is available on all your podcast platforms. There is a you know, there’s a Twitter and an Instagram for the podcast itself.

S1: I think it’s at H.T. DGM. How did this get made up? HDTV, GM, Cheesus.

S6: So and that that that will alert you to upcoming episodes, upcoming live shows up go. You went once. Hopefully things open up and start to resume again. It tells you when new episodes are coming out. If you want to keep up with any of that kind of stuff, it will also feel like a lot of times the podcast will. I suspect when this episode drops the how did this get made? Twitter will also mention it. You know, that kind of if there is any bit of promotion for the stuff that I do, that’s kind of where it lives. Often times I don’t engage in any of that other stuff. So. So really, you know, but I’m on, you know, a lot of podcasts if you have enjoyed this conversation.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S5: You know.

S6: You know, there you can you can hear me talking to people and podcasts all around and then, you know, otherwise, you know, you can find me on various of your favorite half hour comedies in the last few years popping up for an episode or two.

S4: That’s a perfect place to close out. Thank you so much for spin. Time with us.

S1: Thank you so much for having me. Ever. Thank you. Good luck. Stay safe.

S4: You, too. Thank you so much.

S8: Chanda guy them.

S4: Are you OK, Nicole? I mean, it’s unlikely that I will ever be okay again. To be honest, I have a lot of I am going to try and settle my estate just in case I have a delayed reaction later. But I am overwhelmed. I can tell I am just so sick of.

S2: I can’t believe that that happened. I really feel like, you know, maybe I should have given you also privacy like, you know, Nicole.

S4: You know, I’m actually quite I’m very low key about a lot of stuff, right? Yes. Yes. But if you had, in fact, just like quietly moonwalked out and make Mila, I would have been like, all right, cool. Well, let’s see what happens. Like, I really was in a headspace of just kind of like, wow, this first day is going amazing. All jokes aside, I cannot believe what a dream of a guest. Jason was and how genuinely open to just like an absolute shit with us.

S9: It was the dream. So much fun and really engaging. You know, just really helped that we were able to see him. We could have him in the studio, obviously, but to be able to see him. OK, OK. On Zoome. That was great. And he was just really a pure delight.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Yeah. Adrian Pimento. He’s real folks. Oh my God.

S9: You know, because we had this guest. We are not going to have travels this week, which is fine. You know, we just experienced a real life travel. You know, this very this, you know, cute meets whatever. Meet cute side. We just experienced this. Meet cute between Bhim and Jason. So I feel like that’s good enough.

S4: That’s not good enough trouble right there. I’ll take it. Thanks, Universe. Appreciate it.

S10: Let’s talk a little bit about that redacted, though. Yes, it was our first time having somebody else do it. And, you know, we gave Jason a line to say, because we know he’s a huge fan of the Harry Potter books and a connoted noted fan of the Harry Potter books. And so that REDACTED was between two characters from that book series. And we recorded all of that before J.K. Rowling took to Twitter to say some fairly trans phobic stuff. And by fairly, we mean totally transbay big stuff. And, you know, it’s a difficult thing to love a product that is from a maker that is invested in seeing a world that sees you as less than we are not aligning ourselves with our J.K. Rowling spots on trans lives at all.

S9: We believe that trans women are women. Trans men are men. If you’re a non binary, you’re non binary and we respect that. But, you know, this was again, we had done this before she let go her latest transphobia stream of thoughts. So, yeah. Yeah. We do not support her. We do not align ourselves with with our thoughts on this matter.

S10: We know a lot of our listeners are Harry Potter fans, people who are, you know, Harry Potter tattoos and, you know, people for whom those books really mean a great deal. So we know those fans are dealing with their own sort of, you know, come to Jesus moment about, you know, a creator that feels a certain way about a whole group of people. And it’s like a dangerous and damaging feeling. And we just wanted to make it clear that we over here, at first, they could affirm all of our listeners, however they identify whatever they are, whomever they may be. And we just wanted to make that clear. And we hope that much of the liberation work that is going on right now is something that impacts positively on your lives and it allows people finally to treat you as you ought to be treated, which is as valid human beings. Here, here.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S11: Thursday, Kit is a slate production produced by Cher Vincent. And as Nicole Perkins and boom add on me, our music is by Tanya Morgan.

S12: You can follow the show on Twitter at First Aid Kit. And we’re on Tumblr at First Aid Kit podcast, Tumblr dot com.

S11: The show goes out every Thursday and there is a dedicated band of listeners who live tweet their listen. Thank you so much. And you can join them by using the hashtag tac pod. Or you can write us an email with all of your feelings, too. First aid kit at Slate dot com.

S12: If you want to use off the Somalia service, just send us a short and we may no longer than a minute message. The number is five one zero nine eight four four seven seven eight. That’s five one zero nine. First and Nonusers Buckets can send us a very short voice, note by email. At first aid kits at Slate dot com.

S11: You can find all of our episodes and links to listen at Slate dot com slash podcasts. And if you find yourself wishing, you could get even more. Thursday. Can’t every week. Well, now you can. All you have to do is become a slate plus member slate plus a Slate membership program for just thirty five dollars for the first year. You’ll get a little extra from this show and all other slate shows. Plus absolutely no ads. Visit Slate dot com, slash first aid plus to sign up.

S12: We’ll see you next week. And remember to wash your hands and stay thirsty. Bah bah.

S1: Serious. I keep wanting to say silly ish, why, I wonder. That’s funny. Put all of these in, put all the rough take, OK, put all the aborted takes in.

Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement

S4: Welcome back to Thursday. Well, hello. It’s been a long time. Chinna left me without that. Don’t beat a step to set it to that. That was truly awful. It was necessary. It really worked.

S9: So today we’re going to continue our discussion with Jason Mantzoukas. We’re gonna give you a little bit of extra that we had to take out because a you know, we talked to him for two solid hours.

S4: Can’t believe it. Yes, I’ve downloaded it personally into my own mind bank so that I can make a withdrawal whenever I need to. But he has to do the fact that at no point did I say anything disgusting, that everything that happened there was in your own head, Nick. No joy. Spank bank. That’s what both parties actually do. I never said those words. I did not mean that. But clearly, you may believe. God bless you and your fill of. But we’ve going to pull out a small section of that’s a very, very long conversation because it actually felt like a really solid arrow into what we wanted to discuss.

S3: On the plus today, without like, you know, putting on your business out there, from what we can see, you seem to be very orderly and organized.

S1: Oh, yes. Oh, I like your. Because we’re in my closet. I’m Rick. I’m recording this from inside my closet. You can see folded like shirts and. Yes, I am. Yes. Yes, I am a. In fact, a very organized. Very kind of I’m a normal person.

S6: So I’m I’m if anything if anything, I will say a lot of the characters I play allow for an expression of my ID or my allow, allow me to be out of control in a very controlled environment because I live I live a life that is much more rigid and prescribed by routine and and so forth.

Advertisement

S9: First of all, I love being right. So when he talks about, you know, whether we guessed it in our original episode about him, that he is actually, you know, much calmer in his real life and much more organized. I love that. Thank you, Jason, for confirming that tonight.

S4: It’s so nice to know that we are right pretty much all the time. All the time. I trust black women. You guys trust black. They know shit anyway. Yes, that was that that was a I felt I could see the pride in your eyes. You were like, I knew it, bitch. Yes. Yes.

S9: But this also reminds me of how I feel about, you know, men who typically show one side of themselves to people. And then when they get with the person that they love, there’s like this whole new treasure that we’ve discovered with them. I love that.

S4: I love that you said treasure. Good old fashioned word. I love that. You’re exactly right.

S10: So Oji first buckets might remember a few years ago an episode that we did with Daniel Lavery. And it was about our literary heroes that we have kind of fallen in love with. And one of the things that Danny said was from the piece he had written for the toast, this idea of someone who hates everything but loves you.

S4: And at the time, we kind of riffed on this idea of kind of like, oh, he’s terrible, except with me where he’s soft. Now, we don’t enjoy one dimensional bandit’s idea of kind of like he’s horrible to the world. This he’s horrible outside. It’s gonna be horrible at home. Just fine. Right. Yes.

Advertisement

S10: But there is something that I love, which is when people reserve one part of themselves only for their special person and the rest of the world can only guess at what lies beneath. But your person at home, they know that to me is incredibly hot.

S4: Now, maybe that makes me basic. That’s okay. I do shop at the Gap. So, yeah, I am basic. But I really love that tree. I love it in fanfiction. I love it in literary fiction. I love it in TV, in movies, wherever it is. I want to eat that up.

S9: Same. And, you know, over the course of quarantine, I have been bingeing, a new to me murder mystery series. You know, I love my murder mystery. Do I feel so good? Make a happy ever after with a murder?

S4: You know, listen. That’s you in a nutshell.

S9: So I have been bingeing the Murdoch mysteries. I finally, you know, pulled the trigger a got a subscription to ACORN TV via Amazon.

S4: All you can do is stay home or watch TV.

S9: Give me murder in these small little towns, villages, whatever. But this actually takes place in Toronto, so it’s not that small about a city. But anyway, Detective William Murdoch, huh? He’s a total nerd. You know, this takes place in, I think, 1890 to the early 1990s period. Yes. Right. He is a nerd. He’s always inventing things that, you know, we have seen in our, you know, Forensic Files shows and all this kind of stuff. Right. He’s like fingermarks in an actor test, things like that. Like, he’s always inventing something. And two little fluid. So you can see where blood was in the dark and has been washed away. Like he’s always doing this effort. He’s very buttoned up. He always has his hat on, you know, never without his hat. Unless what a masterful. Yeah. Right. He’s just really sweet. And he’s also very conservative. He’s Catholic. He’s very, you know, attuned to etiquette and manners and things like that. And he’s just like just rigid. But he loves Dr. Julia Ogden, who is the town corner show ship. All right. It’s a long history of police and coroner’s loving one another. And, you know, she’s, you know, a progressive woman, right? Because she is a very rare creature, not herself as being a doctor, particularly a coroner. And she’s a woman. So he loves her because she is very smart. She they work well together, all this kind of stuff. But, you know, as in most of these kinds of shows, they take a while to get together. So he loves Julia. And the thing is, he only smiles when he is around Julia. That’s when he laughs, you know, that’s when he clearly wants to impress her, when she’s already knowledgeable about something that he’s about to drop, you know? He’s like, guess what I learned? She’s like, Oh, yeah, the hydrofoil, our clerici. Bah bah bah bah bah bah. And then he gets a little deflated because she already builds it. You know, it’s so sweet. But the fact that he just, like, comes alive with her. I love it so much. And so, you know, without spoiling too much, they do. Eventually get together. And Julia is talking to this woman, another female coroner. And she’s like, I’m quite enjoying our honeymoon. You know, she’s like dropping out these Hansons. And the other woman is Detective Murdoch. Are you sure? And just like the next time that this new woman and Dr. Murdoch are, you know, discussing a case she’s so distracted by trying to figure out, is he really doing what you know? What do you do? I love that so much because you can actually see that he is a very passionate person because he is very into justice. Right. Like Shaw is the law.

Advertisement

S4: The biggest aphrodisiac of war. Yes.

S9: But I would just love it so much. And whenever Julia’s in danger, he just like I don’t know, he just like becomes this whole different person because he’s kind of a short dude. He looks like he’s maybe five nine. Huh? If that, you know, but like he he like toys becomes like this bear of a person. And he’s here right now shooting people like he goes to, you know, make sure that he has his gun and he’s beating people up. And I know it’s not very P.C.. You know, maybe I got to put my feminist card face down. Well, I the deal is we all do it sometimes. I love that so much. I love that this buttoned up, conservative, very straightforward, straight edged man. Yeah. Only smiles for this, you know, for the woman that he loves. You know, she’s eventually their love grows and, you know, he becomes a bit more relaxed when he’s dealing with his colleagues. But he’s still very much. This is only for Julia.

S10: Yes. I love that so much. It’s one of my favorite trips as well. Unlike you, I’ve examined it to see. How feminist it is. First of all, that’s a ridiculous thing to charge your like. It’s like all your pop culture consumption with like it’s difficult for you to open. Yes, but is it feminism? Like, well, I’ve got news for you. Everything is trash. So that’s that. But I will say that when I see it, I get very, very warm in my heart area.

S4: Oh, yes. Where you get warm. Okay. That’s right. I thought I was. I thought that. Why don’t you focus on your own words. Right. Leave me alone.

Advertisement

S10: Anyway, I see it because one of my favorite in fact, my favorite couple on TV recognition from The Walking Dead Iraqis is exactly the same. And I feel like every time I see him giggling, he never loves. He never smiles. The man literally is trying to make it through a walker infested world. He’s just trying to keep himself, his family, like adopted. And like blood family. You’ve got to keep everybody alive. Right. So there’s a lot of time for, like, shits and giggles and the walking dead. Like, it’s very much kind of like, are you dead? No, keep moving and shut up. Like, it’s just really kind of like survival mode. And then, of course, this relationship between recommission unfolds. But then when you go back and look at it and you know, you’re trying to figure out the steps to how they got together. And it turns out that the show runner at the time had slowly been like planting small seeds and like laying out a breadcrumb trail. And, of course, recommission. It turns out long before they got together and have that, you know, the cannon seeling kids on the sofa, they were basically only ever smiling at one another. Like Michaux. And also it’s kind of like, again, survival mode with her sword. She’s got business to kind of take care of. Rick is kind of like, you know, this is in a democracy and shit like that, like it’s very much kind of like I’m doing what I can do to stay alive and keep all of you idiots alive as well. And then you figure out all the bits that feature him smiling. It’s when he’s with Michaux and or with his kids like he is not out there to giggle with anybody. He doesn’t make jokes. At one point, someone kind of represents a fist bump like their fists were a fist bump. And he looks at the first lectern and then he kind of like reluctantly fist bumps.

Advertisement

S4: And it’s like, yes, like he’s not here for, like, levity or he’s a serious man living in a serious time. And then with Michonne, he’s out here making jokes. At one point in the you know, after they’ve been together a while, he giggles like she makes fun of him and he doesn’t shoot her in the head. He giggles. I’m like any other person would be dead in a pool of their own blood and like, killed before they could even reanimate as a walker. Meanwhile, mission is like the famous Rick grab. That is like a stop it.

S2: I don’t like what it is actually amazing.

S10: But again, that feeling of someone who is so capable and presents only one side, because that’s the side that is most relevant and pertinent to their work. I fully I love I love seeing that because we’ve spoken about the competency kink. I love it because these people are often highly competent, very high functioning, doing a lot of heavy work. And there’s something about the release of being with someone, someone to whom you can show your whole self. That is incredibly pleasing. And I will say that as a single person during all of this time. Jesus, this is the only place I’m able to kind of be like, oh, look, they love one another.

S9: And, you know, to bring it back to Jason Mantzoukas, we see all these different characters where he is, where he’s playing these people who, you know, to show love. We’re going to bring you like a dead animal or something, you know, like I killed us with my bare hands. But then when we talk to him, he is a sucker for rom coms. He laughs like those old school movies where, you know, does the athlete. So to see, you know, this one side of him, obviously on film and then to get to know him, even just a little bit, that we have, you know, a tiny glimpse to our glimpse into literally a lifetime.

Advertisement

S4: But I’m telling you something, when I saw the folded shirts so neatly. Yes. Again, my heart got warm. I thought, I appreciate someone who can fold a fucking T-shirt. And they weren’t just folded like some of them were fold on the shelf. But the others were like in a basket. You did it, man with a basket. Take it all. It’s yours. Whatever. Mine is yours. Do what you must enjoy.

S5: He had artwork in the closet.

S4: So it’s like this is he’s like, I’m going to find pleasure in this space where even though it’s a closet and no one sees me, there is something that I want to look at. And that is my love language. It’s kind of like when I walk into a place and a dude has like a read diffuser and I’m like, excuse you, motherfucker. You care about the scent of your home. The bar is where? Underground. Underground. Inhale. Burning. It is a light. Right now, the bar, it is just like a it’s like a long flame. And yes, it takes a little to clear it that I’m kind of like folded shirts. Work. Oh, my God. Be still. Be still my food. And it turns out the food is like now they’re chumped, throbbing. So there we are. What’s what’s that? It’s been a long quarantine. Really, really has.