S1: The following program may offend those who say fudge instead of another F word. It may also offend those who say fudge. When asked to rank their top three desserts.
S2: It’s Friday, May 8th, 2020, from sleet. It’s the gist.
S3: I’m Mike Pesca. There’s that old saying about the speed of things coming to an individual with rapidity, you know, about life. Moving that fast way is cool. And Ferris Bueller said it lets cool when Ted Cruz said it. But yes, in the past 48 hours, Michael Flynn was let off after willingly pleading guilty to obstruction of justice.
S1: The unemployment rate hit the highest level since the Great Depression. Someone flushed a toilet while presenting a case to the Supreme Court. There was a failed Venezuelan coup, which seemed to hinge on an old plot from an a.T.M episode. I hate it when a plan fails to come together. And Axl Rose got into a spat with the secretary of the Treasury, Steve Manoogian. And the argument was won by Axl Rose. Now, I wanted to with that last story. I wanted to do some of those classic old morning zoo radio, fake interview things. You know, like Mr. Rose, as you’ve seen the administration’s response to the pandemic. What phrase kept repeating itself over and over in your head? Indeed. And Mr. Rose, what words did you use to confront Secretary Manoogian about his complicity in failing to address the economic downturn? And it would’ve been hilarious. Trust me, these things are can’t miss staples of the morning zoo of novelty records, just a killer killer bit. But then I started to think about this one answer that I was planning to do, and a larger thought hit me so it would’ve gone like this. The question would be something like Mr. Rose. What do you think the Trump administration’s overall attitude towards Corona virus is? But then it hit me. Kill that. That is exactly Trump’s attitude exactly towards this, towards everything, towards North Korea, nuclear weapons. Ultimately, it won’t work out because it always works. It has to work towards this virus, as he said on Fox News, sitting in front of the Lincoln Memorial. I think it’s all working. And you know what? He said it again today.
S4: I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine. It’s going to go away. And it’s we’re not going to see it again. Hopefully, after a period of time, you may have some some flare ups. And I guess I would expect that sometime in the fall you’ll have flare ups maybe maybe done. But according to what a lot of people say, you probably will. We’ll be able to put them out. You may have some flare ups next year, but eventually it’s going to be there.
S1: And it occurred to me. Steve Manoogian wasn’t mad at Axl Rose. He was mad at Donald Trump. And that’s why he was so upset. Here is Donald Trump living out an Axl Rose lyric. And Steve Manoogian can’t do anything about it. But when the real Axl Rose pipes up. Well, the lead singer of Guns N Roses quite appropriately triggers Steve Manoogian. Oh, the psychology. I’m just glad I could unpack it also. Is this why Manoogian wants to slash funding for food stamps? Working on that theory on the show today, I spiel about Caylee. Ah, Caylee. Such a helpful disseminator of information in these troubled times. But first, there are many, many podcasts out there about the Corona virus. The gist is often one, but I mean specifically Corona virus dedicated podcasts. When the pandemic started to hit, I did what every American in my situation would do. I went to overcast and began downloading podcasts. I went to the Iten store and began checking out which podcasts were available. Now the number one number eight number 800 podcast, though, shift over time. But what hasn’t shifted is the fact that there’s a whole lot of them. So I wanted to talk to a friend of mine who knows audio like nobody else and discuss what are the best corona virus podcasts in existence. And that is why NPR’s Robert Smith joins me next. The other day on this esteemed program, I joke that there are now four thousand five hundred thirty two coronavirus podcasts in existence. A gentleman, the director of data at Art 19, who is a founder of the Beyond Downloads Initiative, a guy named Chad. Hello, Ed said. Huh, that’s interesting. But is Mike right? And he did the math and he found out that I was wrong. But by only a factor of three. There are about fifteen hundred Corona themed podcasts in existence, though Chad does estimate that we have reached past peak Corona podcast, if not past Pete Corona virus. So what I wanted to do was listen to a couple, a couple of that have come to my attention and maybe yours and listen to them with the person who’s best, the person I know who’s best at listening to audio and the best at dissecting it. Robert Smith, he’s the host of Planet Money’s longtime NPR reporter. It’s kind of guy that they fly Fleischmann’s. Tell other NPR reporters how to do their job a little better, but he does it nicely. He’s great at dissecting podcasts. I’m going to say that maybe, Robert, you’re sometimes paid for your expertise in this field. Is that fair?
S5: I’m being paid right now, though. I won’t say by whom.
S6: Huh. Very good. That’s the best nondisclosure. So I said, hey, listen to some Korona podcasts. Alison, awesome. Let’s compare notes. You want to start us off? What’s a Corona themed podcast that you’ve been listening to?
S5: Well, let me. Where should I start? There’s so, so many of them. I tried to segment them into the you get your newsy ones here. Touchy feely ones, the science ones, the analysis ones, the the audio diaries. And the first stretch they went through was just the hard news ones. ABC, The Irish Times, the BBC. NPR has one, two. And these are fine. These are if you if you actually have something to do all day and you want to just have someone catch you up. I particularly liked the BBC one.
S7: This is the Corona Virus Global Update on Friday, the 8th of May. I’m Andrew Page.
S5: The World Health Organization says it’s so weird because it’s these little stories that I’m not paying attention to because I’m a little focused on New York City and focused the United States of America. And so if you want to be filled with trivia, for instance, Germany is opening churches, but as outlying singing because singing spreads the virus more, I’m like, oh, that’s that’s interesting. Oh, they also had a whole thing about the protections for for taking communion in Germany. And then they had another story about how Madrid in Madrid, they’re putting movie screens on trucks and driving them in front of apartment buildings so everyone can look out the window and watch the same movie from the apartment building. So, yeah, I know it’s it’s weird. It’s it’s tiny little anecdotes, but it’s the kind you don’t hear from around the world. BBC is very good at this.
S8: And these are just existing BBC pieces that they put together for this podcast, which is called the Corona Virus Global Update.
S5: Oh, thank you for the proper title. All the names start to blend together. Yeah, a little bit. It’s clearly existing reporters recut sounds. It sounds very slick and professional and it’s very short. But if you want to be the guy at the virtual zoom cocktail party who says, oh, by the way, in Tanzania, they’re importing herbal remedies like this is the podcast for you.
S6: Okay, well, I’ll keep up on that tip and go with a huge broadcaster. And this is the most popular Corona Virus podcast. It’s called Corona Virus Fact versus Fiction.
S9: Well, with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, I’m Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s chief medical correspondent. And this is Corona Virus, Fact versus Fiction.
S8: It is a CNN podcast. As of this speaking, it was it debuted in the top 10. It’s still in the top 10. And I have to tell you. Fact winds, it’s almost is ruining the drama in the genre of fact wins. Now, here’s my assessment of this podcast and really all podcasts. What and you are getting at this a little with the BBC. But what is the state of knowledge of the perceived audience? And this is not a flaw of the CNN podcast, but I do have to say that for me. Fact versus fiction is pitched a little lower, maybe two notches lower than where I want to be met. Let me give you a couple of recent examples. They did a segment and they talked about a food supply in the food chain. They seem to be pitching it towards an audience member who might be saying, oh, my God, are we not going to have pork available in the stores next week? The answer is no. That, I guess, would be the fiction. The fact is, you know, there are problems there, but we have such a massive food infrastructure, we’ll be fine. Sometimes it illustrates points nicely, but mostly it’s right there for the CNN audience is exactly where the CNN audiences. Yeah. And I can’t tell CNN they’re doing something wrong, but it does seem to me there is an opportunity when doing a podcast to not think that you’re broadcasting into do something a little more natural. Or maybe if they did, they’d be the eighth most.
S5: Popular podcast now in iTunes instead of the six, and I listened to one of them, that was a great interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci. It was it was wonderful. Sanjay Gupta was grateful. She was great. It was an enjoyable listen. But some of these podcasts really like that haven’t picked a lane. So I listen to the 538 new podcast called Podcast 19. I’m Anna Rothschild and this is podcast 19 from 538. It opens with sort of a meditation on sour dough, bread baking. It’s very like millennial and such. I’m like, well, 538 like these are the stats people. My going to hear politics. So am I going to hear model analysis ratios, ratios of yeast? I don’t know. I wanted. Yeah. I want to know who’s going to win, at least with certain. Right. So but no, it didn’t have that. And then it and then it sort of pivoted to like a more complicated interview and then into a lighter, more feature interview. And it was just trying it was just trying to be too many things to too many people. And and I really, really have grown to appreciate since since it’s pretty easy. Like everyone’s experiencing the same story. It’s easy to say let’s do a podcast about it. The podcast that really, really picked a narrow focus. And I know both you and I have listen to this one. But I love this one so much.
S7: This week in virology, this week in Virology, the podcast about viruses, the kind that make you sick. From microbe TV, this is Twitter. This week in Viral Cuív Twitter.
S5: They call it twin. This week in virology they’re on unlike episode six, a one. So like they’ve been doing this long before. You knew what a virus was.
S6: And they have said that you would even start the show by saying the kind of virology that’s medicine, because apparently four years before this, people like, oh, virology, like things going viral on the Internet.
S5: Now, it’s kind of funny. You know, it’s until you mentioned it, I didn’t know whether they were making a joke or not. They said this is the show about viruses, the kind that can make you sick. And in my head, they’re so serious. In this podcast, I’m like, is that a joke? Or are they just trying to differentiate it from the podcast that is about helpful viruses. And this entire show, I understand most of it. There are sections that I don’t understand at all, but of everything I listen to. This was the show where I would sometimes audibly gasp at a piece of information that I did not know. And that kind of changes my whole point of view. I’ll give you a couple examples. One of them was about, I guess, as people in South Korea who had had the virus recovered and then still tested positive for the virus. And everyone’s like, oh, no, look, maybe there’s no immunity, maybe they have it again. And they said, no, actually, there’s this garbage RNA. It’s little like virus garbage that is littered through your body. And the test was picking that up. They didn’t actually have the virus. They just had virus garbage in them. And I was like, oh, that’s amazing. Another thing, when they were talking about antiviral therapy, apparently when people are in the hospital for kov it, when they’re on the respirators, even they often don’t have the virus in their body. The problem is the immune response to the virus. The virus is gone. And using antivirals on somebody who really doesn’t have the virus anymore may not be that helpful. And that was another moment where I’m just like, oh, my God. Like, that’s I never thought of they’re so smart and they’ll be doing this for thousands of episodes, whatever. It stops listening. But as of right now, this week in virology, they’re doing more than once a week. Now, Twitter, you must listen to this podcast. If you’re if you’re deep into this, if you really want to know the signs.
S9: Do they ever go over your head just in terms of the science? You love science. You’re not a trained scientist. But the audience is who? Who do they expect the audience to be for the show?
S5: I think the audience as this was designed was doctors and virologists and me, not all doctors. Like if you’re a pediatrician, you may not understand. So I think because there’s a lot of an immune response in about experimental design, which isn’t even a doctor thing, that’s sort of a researcher thing. So it is very narrowly targeted and and normally a podcast, if if I don’t understand what’s going on, I consider that a failure in this one. There are moments where I feel like I’m listening in on the smartest people on earth, tackling the biggest problem we face now. And I’ll go 20 minutes, not really understanding because it’s like it makes me warm inside. I’m just like, you guys go for it, like, do your thing.
S8: Ben in need of the Daily News podcast. Love that one. And I think the other I think other covered researchers listen to that one. As for what you do with Planet Money as host of Planet Money, where you popularize economic problems, is there an equivalent economist’s podcast that you listen to that you take and then generalize to the mass public?
S5: Oh, yeah, absolutely. So, Francis, I really like a show called Bloomberg Surveillance, which is actually a radio show on Bloomberg Radio.
S10: Welcome to the Bloomberg surveillance podcast. I’m Tom Kean Gaoli. We bring you insight from the best in economics, finance, investment and international relations. Find Bloomberg surveillance on Apple podcasts, SoundCloud, Blumer, dot com and of course, on the Blumer.
S5: It’s just it’s really deep in the jargon and I wouldn’t recommend it for everyone, but I just love to listen to it because I think, oh, that’s an amazing insight. I’m going to steal that hand and make it more accessible for for Planet Money. But it didn’t actually listening to this week in virology, it actually made me think that during times like this, even Planet Money, where we’re in this economic crisis, we should maybe get more nerdy. We should get deeper into the economics because everyone is just so open to listening to something and everyone is is afraid of what’s happened in the economy and really wants the details. Like maybe this is the moment for us to stop trying to dumb it down a little bit and just say, like, hey, like we’re going to explain deep into the concept of Senior Ridge and the Federal Reserve Bank. And you may or may not understand it, but this is this is incredibly important right now. So so bear.
S8: Right. Right. Just like the Korona podcast, don’t have to take a step back and explain RNA or explain double-blind. Testing, maybe you guys could just lean right into federal the Federal Reserve.
S5: Yeah. Because, I mean, the good and the bad thing about this moment is that everyone cares about the same story.
S8: But sometimes there are a lot of these podcast’s networks that say, let’s do a Corona podcast and it’s worse than the mainstay shows. In fact, sometimes many different shows on a network are doing the Corona podcast unwittingly better than the specific Corona podcast is. Which brings me to America dissected with Abdool El Sayad, who is a doctor and the former health commissioner in Detroit. It’s on the crooked media, the Pod Save American Network.
S7: In this second season of American Dissected, we’ll be keeping you updated on what you need to know about coronavirus. And we’ll go deeper on what led us to this crisis and explore the policies that can lead us out. This is America the Second. And I’m your host, Dr. Drew.
S8: But America dissected. So you think it’s going to be the most Korona forward podcast? But I don’t exactly know the reason for it existing other than this guy was maybe in the orbit of the crooked media people. And they said now is the time for a coronavirus podcast. I would say the ideal listener is someone who voted for Bernie and likes the intercept and wish Jeremy Scahill can do more coverage on coronavirus because El Sayad is very he’s a very, let’s say, DSA friendly. Yes, he had Naomi Klein on the show rather than exploring these issues. In a way, I think that could be useful. They make assumptions about these issues and then the expertise. Is the doctor talking about doing fairly rote interviews? I think with people who aren’t giving us more insight than you could find elsewhere with perhaps a more adept and skilled interviewer who’s been doing this for years.
S5: I listen to the the one with Andrew Yang in it. And and I love I love universal basic income arguments and evidence. I would listen easily to Andrew Yang for an hour on that. But the whole premise of the podcast in this particular episode was, so this virus, does it prove that UBI is awesome or super on an NDA? Surprisingly says that, wow, it’d be great if we had universal basic income now. And yeah, I want to talk about the other thing. I want to talk about the assumption. I don’t I don’t really want to hear how this virus proves that you are right all along.
S8: Yeah. The implicit question that he has asked in at least four or five different interviews, I’ve listened to his tell me how this pandemic comports with everything you’ve been saying all along.
S5: Exactly. Yeah. And that’s just I don’t know if it’s not that feels dirty or bad to me. It just feels like I’m not getting new information. It feels like I’m getting less less smart listening to it.
S6: I think so. Twenty five minutes. Take 12 of those and listen to a great DSA podcast. Take 12 of those and listen to a great science podcast and you’ll do better than this. OK, we’ve crapped all over that. And you know what? He’s probably done a lot more for the public health and the public good than we have. So, yeah. But still going to say I’m going to say I think the former Detroit health commissioner and a doctor definitely has done more than we have.
S5: I do resent a little bit when when doctors, people who are trained and save lives for a living. Move into journalism and often do it better than most journalists because it just makes it right. Like, I, I don’t go doctor on the weekends. I don’t get up and try and diagnose people like, come on, just leave me this one. One tiny little fringe thing that which is to have a podcast, pick a lane doc. Hey, we’ll invite you on. You just don’t need to be the host. You got another one? I do. You know, it’s I listen to two podcasts which use the same style, which is a sort of radio diaries style where you ask doctors or nurses or essential workers to record voice memos while they’re at work and you play them in an underrated way. So if it’s you can experience the sort of real life as it happens. And one of these two podcasts was good. And one of these podcasts was challenged. And I’ll I’ll start with the challenged one. And that’s the The Washington Post. It’s called All Told. You’re listening to all told from The Washington Post. It is emotional and it’s dark and has sort of a sad cello, as you hear about this nurse afraid to go back into work. And if you’re someone who just loves I just love the human voice. I just love to hear people talk about whatever. Then it’s probably a good podcast for you. But like, I just have so many questions for a nurse in this situation. And I kept wanting like a reporter or host anyone to just break in and just be like, hey. How do you eat lunch at the hospital? But you got something to not eat lunch. Do you eat that food that people drop outside? Or is that just like like no way I’m going to eat? I don’t know where this stuff is from. The idea that a reporter or host is somehow interfering with someone’s story instead of helping to tell someone’s story. I don’t know. It’s it to me. I think there is a real role for. Somebody to ask questions. You know, I do that for a living, so maybe I’m biased. But having taken that out, I actually felt like I I wasn’t getting enough details of this nurse’s real life. The podcast that’s that’s doing it. I think a little bit better. It’s called The Essentials. Inside the Curve from ABC. It does the same sort of thing, only they intercut it with news tape. And clearly, somebody has asked leading questions. And then they cut out the question because the people in this story, the doctors and the nurses, the emergency workers in that podcast are doing just a much better job of giving me the kind of details I otherwise wouldn’t have.
S11: It’s nice. Twenty six. Thirty in the morning. This is my last day. I will now be gone for the next few days, working 12 hour shifts at the hospital.
S5: So two different ideas. If you hate hosts. If you hate reporters. These are the podcasts for you.
S9: So last one I want to talk about is a podcast called Deep Background with Noah Feldman from Pushkin Industries. And on the criteria of who is a pitch to and where does it meet me, its pitch to me.
S12: I’m the perfect audience from Pushkin Industries. This is Deep Background, the podcast where we explore the stories behind the stories in the news. I’m Noah Feldman. If you’ve been following the show for the last couple of months, you’ll know that I’ve covered the coronavirus pandemic from a lot of angles for a time.
S9: I was thinking it should have been called. Noah Feldman interviews other people at Harvard and Yale and that would have been fine. They had Paul Romer, the economist, Don, from Yale. They had Laurie Santo’s of the Happiness Lab from Harvard, who was Larry Summers with honors all Harvard, Yale. And I was still getting, you know, the best expertise that was out there, this podcast. I think it existed as as a one of those luminary podcasts. And then it kind of got outside the paywall before Corona virus. And you could tell that Noah Feldman is a smart guy. He’s testified before Congress constitutional law, but didn’t know he had this breath. And he has just enough expertise, which is quite a lot of expertise. But he is a trained constitutional lawyer. He’s not a scientist. So the questions he asked are based on maybe the kind of question that someone who’s been listening to a lot of other good podcasts would put to just the best guests. And to give you one illustration about an earlier show. I think the CNN show, I said, you know, if I were to predict what they would say, did they come up with anything different? And the answer in that case was no. But he interviewed Laurie Santo’s, who is this? A happiness expert and a happiness experts can be good. But if you had asked me what would a happiness experts say, I probably could have predicted some things about, you know, habits of mind and perspective taking in all this. But no, I mean, it’s not that she didn’t do that. The example she gave in the detail that she went into was well conveyed, totally surprising, gave me a greater understanding of what was going on. They talked about different ways this might have been in the Santo’s interview or another one. But he talked to a psychologist or psychiatrist who talking about the difficulties of dealing with someone with OCD, where maybe excessive handwashing is a maladaptive behavior. What happens when that now becomes an adaptive behavior? Fascinating stuff. This is just an example of the quality and great questions of a podcast can override. It’s not complicated. There is no attempt at, you know, a cascade of voices or anything else that would make a producer vowel. But just for someone like me, possibly for a just listener. Great podcast.
S5: I agree. I heard one on contact tracing and it was sort of what I was saying about this week in virology, which is it was willing to go deep and it was willing to be nerdy and is willing to just say, like, I don’t need to convince you to listen to this. I don’t need to dumb it down. I’m interested in contact tracing. And so I’m going to ask all of the deep questions that I want to ask. And we’re gonna get deep into this if you don’t listen. Don’t listen. I thought it was those refreshing. Yeah.
S6: Yeah. So, Robert, I want to thank you. I think if I was a listener hearing this and having listened to maybe 12 hundred of the 15 hundred Korona podcasts, I’d have been very edified to find out about these. And if you are a listener of the gist and have others that you really like or just even really hate, and you want me or Robert or someone like Robert, though there is no one like Robert to come on and discuss their merits, it shall be a service we provide in the upcoming episodes. Robert Smith, host of Planet Money. Thank you so much, my friend. You are welcome, Mike. It is great.
S1: And now the spiel I wonder about the Bryson’s I wonder about the Grayson’s and the Hudsons. I wonder about the Madisons and the Addisons. How are these children going to make their mark when they become adults? And for years and years, I’ve been wondering about the Kaylee’s. You knew a generation of Kaylee’s. We’re going to mature. We’re going to enter public life as adults. And you wondered, how would that go? Well, worse than we thought. If the most prominent Caylee. Caylee McEneaney is an indication today the new White House spokesperson trotted this one out as if it were reassuring.
S13: So there’s no reason to be concerned because we have a president who almost always looks at the data as Dr. Founds.
S1: That does not seem to be true. And Fouche, you were like, how could you leave us out of this one, Kelly? Kelly McCann, any then turns it back on the media.
S13: I guess I would turn the question back on the media.
S1: Yes, that’s what she did. That was yesterday. That was when she was confronted with past her past dismissals of the Corona viruses, importance and impact. And she went on to quote some stories and vox in The Washington Post that were also overly dismissive of the pandemic. So there that addresses the question. Then today, CNN confronted her with her own quotes that were critical of Trump when he was running for president. And she had a similar response. First, here’s one of those quotes.
S2: Probably very sick, especially when they see that Donald Trump is number two and doesn’t deserve to be there. Why do you think of the Trump excitement when you talk that? I appreciate his boldness and I think some of his rhetoric got the base excited. But it is not welcome rhetoric. The GOP didn’t need to be turning away voters and isolating them, need to be bringing them into the tent.
S9: Donald Trump is the last person who’s going to do that was from a Fox Business Network show. And today, her answer. Well, why do you say all that stuff was this?
S13: I’m actually glad you asked that, because for about the first four weeks of the election, I was watching CNN and I was naively believing some of the headlines that I saw on CNN are hot.
S1: So her explanation is that she was easily duped. And then she turned it around on the media rather than focusing on me.
S13: He really should be focused on some of the very gaffes CNN chose to have on their network.
S1: She then listed former Obama officials, including Obama’s attorney general, Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations and Obama’s director of national intelligence. She turned it right around on them. You know, I encourage the average citizen, not just the Kaylee’s, to try this tactic in their personal lives. Why didn’t you file your taxes? You know, rather than focus on me, I asked you to focus on Amazon, which pays no federal taxes. OK, then. But why did you cheat on your wife? Well, rather than focus on my actions, I would ask, why do you focus on my wife’s plodders instructor who I struck me as suspiciously Hanzi? Fine, fine, fine. But, Mr. Gacy, why did you kill those runaways? I would ask you to focus on Mr. Dahmer, who not only killed, but also eight his victims. I would also ask you to focus on the more narrow question of what I did when presented with dead bodies. I would say that I just buried the dead bodies, which is what cemeteries do each and every day. Where is Jeffrey Dahmer, literally? And I would endeavor to say eagerly eat those bodies. Why aren’t we focused on that? You know, I considered just ignoring Caylee right from the jump. Look, we knew what she was going to say, how she was going to say it, and how truthful that was going to be. But she is something like the chief information officer of the White House. It’s not so much respect as curiosity of the institution and what she’s saying and what she’s saying underneath what she’s saying, because even if the text of what she says is meaningless, the subtext tells us something. Sure. Maybe it’s not something we didn’t know already, that this administration has a disdain for legitimate questions or avenues of inquiry, that they don’t think the public deserves to know facts. They don’t think the public deserves clarifications. But it does show once more how they think, what they care about and what we are all up against. So in the coming days, I probably will focus on these Caylee McEneaney outrages a lot less, not because I’ve become habituated to them just as a function of news judgment. I would rather bring you here on the gist news, which is relevant to your lives, because there’s a lot of it out there during this pandemic. I could bring you coverage of the federal response to the Corona virus. I could bring you important developments that might actually stem the devastation wrought by the Corona virus. But quite clearly, it is almost impossible to bring you both of those things in one.
S3: And that’s it for Today Show, Margaret Kelly is the just associate producer, her favorite Corona virus podcast is WTVG. What’s the virus? In each episode, a grizzled epidemiologists connects with famous viruses to apologise for past indiscretions that the virus doesn’t even remember. And it always ends with virus. We good. We good. Daniel Shrader, the Gist producer or his favorite Corona virus podcast is Genetic Code Switch, which a team of researchers chronicles the different ways that RNA attempts to replicate similar strands. In an effort not to be rejected by the host. The Gist. My favorite podcast isn’t even a podcast to radio show. It’s wet place. It’s the last 10 minutes of every NPR show. They just cut away to do the numbers on the price of pangolin meat or bats by the pound or snakes by the foot. And this is exciting. There is a rumored crossover episode with another well-known Korona podcast radio bio lab where marketplace and bio lab life makes you sad and cry. Listen to Jad and Kai at Stitcher, Apple or wherever you get horrible ideas for podcasts in Peru, desperate to Peru. And thanks for listening.