Da F–k Is Up With DaBaby?

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S1: Move over, Megan Listo Adam The stallion is the new cowboy in town riding in on himself.

S2: Hi, I’m Rachel Hampton.

S1: And I’m Madison Mullen Kirchherr. You’re listening to Icymi

S2: in case you missed it,

S1: Slate’s podcast about Internet culture.

S2: And this is our first apology video.

S1: This is the notes app. This is us staring straight at the camera.

S2: We’re listening. We’re learning, we’re growing. What we’ve learned is that you hate the sound of us drinking water. And honestly, I would like to say I did not try

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S1: to throw me under the bus. I’m sorry.

S2: I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I simply must. I did not suggest the stunt. Madison, would you like to say to our listeners,

S1: I’m sorry, I will be better, I will do better? This is all a lie, because as with all YouTube or apologies, we’ll be back at it with some new bullshit in three to six months,

S2: the bullshit will not be drinking water on camera. This is not a smart podcast, but what it is, is a reality television podcast because I may have news for all of you. And it is that Chris Rachelle from selling Sunset Netflix is best reality television show. Besides, of course, Love is Blind is now dating. Jason Oppenheim of the Oppenheim group. Madison, how do you feel?

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S1: Is that one of the property brothers?

S2: Thank you for saying that. I’m filing a labor

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S1: agreement

S2: for the uninformed Madison selling Sunset is a show about selling Los Angeles real estate, Sunset Boulevard. It’s fairly self-explanatory.

S1: And yet you’re explaining it to me.

S2: And yet I am. And selling Sunset follows the Oppenheim group, which is run by Jason and Brett Oppenheim, two very short twins who are bald.

S1: The property, they have hair. Fuck, that

S2: doesn’t hold up. No, it doesn’t. There’s three of them for some reason. Our producer, Daniel Schroeder thinks that they’re hot. I would like to say on Mike that that is not true. We’ll see if that gets cut out. One of the primary. Drivers of action on the show is Rachelle, who was married to this US star, Justin Hartley, who left her in a very callous way. This was the primary driver of season three drama.

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S1: Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. What is it? I just got a Google alert from TMZ about what Justin Hartley filed for divorce. No. What? No fucking way. Guys, it’s all over the Internet right now. No way. No, I’m sorry. Did you say something?

S2: This is a big deal because this week, Chris Rachelle revealed in the same way that Jennifer Lopez revealed that she was dating Ben Affleck, that Chris show herself is dating Jason Oppenheim of the Open Home Group. If you’re not freaking out, I don’t know what to do about it. It’s truly incredible. It’s 100 percent a PR stunt. Fabulous work on everyone’s part. I’ve never been so proud of someone using an Instagram carrousel.

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S1: Sorry, I’m

S2: you know what? Just because you can’t appreciate American culture or real estate does not mean that no one else can.

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S1: For those of you who are like me and perhaps are not sold on Sunset, we do have some other fun things in store for you on the show today. First up, we’ve got a great conversation with one of our listeners who, like us, fell deep, possibly deeper than us into the rabbit hole. That is the BYU Virginity Club Instagram account. She’s an exmormon who’s going to walk us through all the reasons why us never moes. She’ll explain. Might have missed a few clues as to why the account is bogus.

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S2: After that, we’re back with some high speed downloads. The rapper DaBaby is being the stupid and the homophobic, and he simply won’t back down. And then Adam Driver is a horse. Can you break that all down in 60 seconds? Stay tuned to find out.

S1: So a few days after our BYU Virginity Club episode, we got an email from a listener with the subject line further BYU Virginity speculation, which I was intrigued.

S2: Oh, that was an immediate open.

S1: So naturally, we had to call up the listener. Her name is Danny and just hear all of her, her further speculations.

S3: So I was raised Mormon. I am no longer a Mormon, so I haven’t been for like probably like six years, I think. But I grew up like probably to my early 20s. I was Mormon. Yeah.

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S2: When did BYU Virginity account kind of come across your radar for the first time?

S3: Probably a few weeks ago. And it was just like I think it was the Pew poll loophole, things which I initially noticed, mostly because like there are things that people say about Mormons and how they try to get around like sex stuff.

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S1: In your email to us, you you walked through a couple of key reasons. You are convinced that the BYU Virginity account is not, in fact, run by a Mormon, the first of which is that the account only quotes and mentions the Bible.

S3: Yeah. So like Mormons believe in the Bible, I keep saying Mormons because I grew up saying Mormons and they flip back and forth about that kind of thing. But Mormons believe in the Bible, but they also have like the Book of Mormon, which is like the new thing that Joseph Smith found and translated. And then they also have a living prophet to, like, give prophecy and like give us guidance for our day. And they also have, like, not only the Book of Mormon, but there’s also like the doctrine and covenants, which like is the Joseph Smith wrote it when he’s like writing a new doctrine. So they have, like all of these other books. And basically there’s like so much to pull from that someone who is Mormon or grew up Mormon wouldn’t really, like, just use the Bible. And like, if I was going to look up quotes to do, I would like go to the LDS website and look at the Gospel Principles Manual, where they would give me scriptures from each of the different scriptures and also stuff from, you know, prophets and also things from the first Strength of Youth pamphlet, which was just like a list of rules they gave to teens to, you know, keep them on the straight and narrow. So like that definitely talks about chastity and like how to keep yourself pure, I guess. So, like, Mormon culture is so insular that like they love they love like callbacks, like they love talking about stuff that, like only concerns them, you know what I mean?

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S1: Yeah. It’s your email definitely echoed a lot of feedback. We heard from from former Mormons and people who are raised in the church about red flags. Another one you pointed out and that other people have pointed out is the way the account talks about alcohol.

S3: Yeah, another whole thing about it is they’re like there’s so much stigma around it. And the reason you go to BYU, even if they’re speaking to people outside of BYU, is like that insular quality where you just feel the same as everyone else. You know, I grew up in Texas. I did end up going to BYU for a little while. But the whole thing about that is like you go to BYU and there’s no drinking anywhere. It’s it’s just like not a thing like the alcohol. Since I moved away from you to the alcohol percentage in beer might be the same as everywhere else now. But when I was there was like half as much as anyone else, like the beer that you would buy. And then the only place you can get liquor is in the state liquor store. It’s just like not a thing like you. Yeah, it says I think there’s one that says, like, lay off the booze and it’s just like no one is drinking there. The like BYU kids pride themselves on, like being able to have fun without alcohol, which is just like turns into like weird scavenger’s to hunt and stuff. But like it’s like, you know. Yeah.

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S1: Exactly what doesn’t sound so bad.

S3: No, not like the thing. They’re cute and fun. Like I don’t you know, I grew up Mormon. There were plenty of them that I love. But they do have this weird thing about like just like they can do it without it.

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S2: And so something you mention in your email, which is another bit of feedback we got, is the way that the account uses the term Born Again Virgin and how that just was one of the immediate red flags, because you talk a little bit more about why that hit you.

S3: Yeah. So, I mean, Latter day Saints just don’t say born again like it’s just it’s just not like not not a concept for them. Yeah. I mean, like it is a concept. They know about it and they think of like born again Christians as like a different kind of Christian. And like there is like you don’t want to say it, but there is a little animosity because like born again Christians are like, oh, Mormons aren’t Christian and Mormons all the time. I just. No know we are Christian, we believe in Jesus like we’re Christians, and then so like it’s just not a term that’s in the lexicon. It’s like not a term that’s in that lexicon to be a born again virgin. And also, I feel like that a lot of religions have these, like speakers that come and say this. My life was so bad. I was a drug addict. I was this. I was like in sex work. I was like doing pornography. And then I found Jesus and like, I’m a born again and I’m a new person, like a Latter Day Saints who don’t like to talk about their past escapades in that way. Like it’s just something where once you come and you’ve, like, prayed and you’ve taken on the atonement and all your sins have been washed away, then like Jesus took care of the atonement. So, like, there’s no reason for you to think about those past sins except for for you secretly to think about them so you won’t do them again. But like, there isn’t this there is that same kind of like talking about past exploits. Like I kind of even think that if you like, had had sex before and then had repented of it with like your leader or whatever. If you’re like future spouse asks you about it or like some people would tell them, but some people might even be like, well, I was forgiven for that. So I really have to talk about it, you know what I mean? Like, it’s just like this concept is just not something that people really talk about like that. If that means

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S1: having attended BYU, then because a thing that struck me funny when we talked to BYU Virginity Club was him saying, I’m not out to my friends as a virgin. Like I’m I’m embarrassed to tell them. Also, I haven’t come out to some of my friends as a virgin yet, so I’m kind of holding off on that. That’s an odd thing, right?

S3: No, that’s not a thing at all. That was so wild. Yeah. Also that I’m like, this is. Yeah, that’s not a thing at all. Like basically the default because you have to follow the honor code and you specifically do have to get a religious endorsement like every semester, which is you going to like you go to your bishop and you, he asks you all these questions where you like, have you been good? Have you been following the law of chastity? Have you been doing this? Have you been doing that? And you answer, yes, and you have to get that endorsement to stay at BYU. So basically the default is that everyone is following those rules. So when you’re like at BYU in class, there’s no reason to come out as anything because, like, you’re married

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S1: to yon Virgin.

S3: Yeah. You’re married or you’re a virgin. Or like if you’re not a virgin, then you have, like, you know, repented or whatever and been able to come to BYU or you’re like lying and feel bad about it. You know, not that I would know anything about that, but

S1: like,

S3: you know. Yeah, it’s just like it’s totally not a thing. It’s not a thing.

S2: This is simply incredible. I mean, this was a big way. You talk about the kind of like lexicon of and the way that this guy is completely not engaging in it at all. Yeah. So fascinating just because I mean, I was raised somewhat evangelical and I think that’s what a lot of the people who follow this account are probably coming from is like the kind of like late in Christianity that just flows through America and you’re like, oh, born again. I recognize these kind of church terms. And then it’s like anyone who’s actually within that community is like, hold the fuck up. Yeah, something like fishy here.

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S1: That would be hold the fudge up. Rachel. Sorry. That’s true.

S2: That’s true. I must repent.

S1: I know you’re see, this is the expertise we needed. We really we thought we were going to catch him when we were like, where is BYU Salt Lake City knowing full well it’s in Provo. But yeah, BYU Virginity Club sailed right past that one.

S3: Yeah. Well, you know, if you need a Mormonism expert literally talking to like never moes is something people say about people who are never Mormon is really dumb. I’m sorry you guys, but like, never. Yeah. So it’s like Ximo is exmormon, right. Anyway, it’s. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. You know, my favorite thing is like explaining weird intricacies of Mormonism to people who, you know, who are never most. So if you ever need anything, it’s my favorite

S1: thing to do

S2: is like thank you so much for

S1: enlightening of thank you so much for coming on the show Danny and for for reaching out with your your ximo expertise.

S3: You’re very welcome. I’ll be happy to help anytime in the future.

S2: We will probably call on you again.

S1: I learned so much in that conversation,

S2: I honestly kind of want another Mormon scandal just so we can have Danny back on the show.

S1: I’ve been an everyman my whole life. I never knew there was a term for it.

S2: After the break, we’ll be back with some high speed downloads. We should be extra speedy this week because, as you know, we are well hydrated.

S1: Please know it’s taking all of my self-control not to make a slurping noise right now. We are back with some high speed downloads in case you’re new to the show, or maybe you just need a refresher. High speed download is a game Rachel and I play where we get 60 seconds to explain a piece of Internet ephemera to each other and to you. Could be a meme, a controversy, YouTube apology, video warning. If you don’t like listening to people talk or really, really fast, perhaps set your podcast playback speed two point eight speed. Don’t do 2.5 speed. We will sound drunk

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S2: unless you want to hear a sound drunk, in which case perhaps you point to five XP and see what that sounds like.

S1: I see why my after dark. That’s a slate. Plus only thing I

S2: subscribe to Slate.

S1: So Rachel, what are you tackling first?

S2: I am tackling the recent controversy embroiling none other than the rapper DaBaby. I’m exhausted already.

S1: OK, you warmed up, you limber.

S2: I’m limber.

S1: I’m sprightly already. Rachel, you have 60 seconds on the clock on your mark. Get set.

S2: Go. OK, DaBaby rapper who is perhaps best known for his remix of the Duleep, a tape levitating, was performing at the Super Schroeder event Rolling Down Music Festival in Miami this weekend, which is bad enough, but it gets worse. He does all completely unprompted rant that is extremely homophobic and misogynistic. He asked his fans to sign their cell phone if they, quote, didn’t show up today with HIV AIDS or any of them deadly sexually transmitted diseases, they’ll make you die. He also said if you insult somebody sick in the parking lot, put your cell phone light up. He also said if you put smoke water, put your cell phone up. So why are you thinking about people sucking dicks? What’s going on here? Perhaps you should think more. He was immediately dry for spreading HIV misinformation, which, by the way, now doesn’t since completely manageable antiretrovirals, undetectable and transmissible, you know, it kills people. HIV stigma Duleep up. It’s like, you know what? This is the person I recorded with. I stayed with my LGBT fans. Elton John gets in on this with a lovely thought about HIV. It’s information as it’s on the ten seconds the on Sun DaBaby strikes. I haven’t even apologized for the crazy Instagram. He says the media chose his words and he’s like, you know what? My gay fans don’t got fucking AIDS. They don’t got AIDS. And I was like, Do you think it is?

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S1: That was a lot. It was. I feel like there’s more to the story yet to come.

S2: The thing is, I actually got through most of it. I would just like to say the both of these apologies are incredibly bad. Both that he was like, oh, the reason people are upset is because I suggested my fans have HIV rather than the suggestion that HIV is a death sentence and dirty. I just want to double down on the fact that HIV is not a death sentence. Stigma kills, antiretrovirals are incredible. And then in his second apology, he says anybody who done ever been affected by HIV got the right to be upset and then follows up with and for any brands. Networks are to select to profit off of black rappers influence on the culture without understanding it or having the patience to deal what comes with the position we play in our culture. Keep your money next time. What does that mean?

S1: Unclear are the brands and networks and artists reacting.

S2: Yeah, brands who dropped him. Boomin has dropped him. Every other had a men’s line. They do have a men’s line. Everyone is just fully kind of standing back and saying, you know what? I’m not going to be involved with this, unfortunately, the final turn of this is that Chris Brown puts out a statement that makes sense. Oh, no, I know, I know. He says, shut the fuck up. Do your shows think everybody get off the stage? And I think when Chris Brown starts making sense, we all need to take a step back and perhaps not. That’s my final statement. Also, DaBaby put out a music video recently that mentioned AIDS. So, like, I really don’t know what’s going on with him chancel. That’s really it, that’s really the uh huh.

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S1: OK, well, I’m cutting you off either way, much like DaBaby should be.

S2: All right. Well, I’m out of breath, kind of have a little bit of a headache from yelling. What have you got from Madison?

S1: Adam Driver is a horse.

S2: Oh, my God. I don’t even know what that means.

S1: But soon

S2: you will. Soon I will. I don’t I think I kind of prefer my current state. But you know what? That’s not the point of this show. Now, Madison, are you ready?

S1: I’m ready to trot. To canter to do whatever that little horsey dance they do in the Olympics.

S2: That’s so fun.

S1: Yes. Dressage.

S2: Yeah, that’s how it’s pronounced. Yeah. Wow. My whole my whole life I thought it was dressage anyway. Well, I’m learning things. Going to learn some more things. Madison, you have sixty seconds on the clock. Three to

S1: one go. OK, Adam Driver maybe you know him is like the boyfriend from girls or the movie guy who shirtless in Star Wars or you know him from marriage story where we come everyday when I wish you were dead or from that play on Broadway, which I think was mostly just an exercise in showing how large he is by having him stand next to Carrie Russell for two hours. Anyway, he’s a large, large six foot two X military man. He notoriously hates to listen to the sound of his own voice, like, just go ask NPR. I don’t know what to tell you, but he is a horse now. He was always kind of a horse, but like now he’s actually an immense quadruped. Here’s the deal. He’s the new face and, frankly, body. We’re not in it for the face of a Burberry fragrance called Hero, the Adam question starts off with a shirtless driver riding a horse down the beach. Pretty standard cologne ad shit. But then then he’ll start swimming around together and they’re all like, intertwined and woo, woo, woo and move over. Daniel Radcliffe in Equus. Yeah, that’s the play where Harry Potter fucks horse driver becomes one with the horse. At this point, he becomes the horse. Technically, I think he’s a center because he still has a human upper body. The end of the ad is just like this misty shadow of Adam Driver centa. Anyway, meet the Internet. We’re feeling some kind of weird shit. Heterosexuality made over bestiality makes no your dog.

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S2: You’re done.

S1: Yeah, it’s over. No, no. This thing has some real Zoolander mad energy.

S2: God, I’m sorry. I’m still thinking about the fact these bestiality means do you have OK, you have one more sentence left to fucking traumatize me.

S1: Let’s let Adam take it. Oh God. Gerberry hero. A new fragrance for men unknown.

S2: I think I understand why you hate this voice. I kind of do, too.

S1: And on that note, Rachel’s going to write Adam Driver back to the stables, and that’s the show.

S2: I will be doing no such thing. Giddy up. All right, that’s the show, we will be back in your feeds on Wednesday, so definitely subscribe for the premium horse content. You’ll never miss the Madison Nay. We were reading and review an Apple podcast and tell your friends about us. You can follow us on Twitter at Icymi. Underscore pod, which is where you get our premium tweets and also where you can give us your questions, like what’s going on with my Tic TAC algorithm or please stop making slurping sounds on the mic. You can also always drop us a note I why am I on Slate Dotcom? Who knows. You might have you on the show.

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S2: or in the Barn. Get ready, set, go

S1: now, what the fuck kind of countdown?