Slate Spoiler Specials: El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie

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S1: Right now. Child. In Great. Shape.

S2: What’s in the box. Yo.

S3: Yo yo yo.

S4: Hi and welcome to a slate Spoiler Special about El Camino a Breaking Bad Movie. The follow up to the beloved fairly popular morally complicated story about Walter White the meth Lord extraordinaire known as Breaking Bad. I’m Slate’s TV critic Willa Paskin And I’m joined by Slate’s culture editor Sam Adams. Hi Sam. Hi well. So we both saw this movie yesterday in an honest to God movie theater which I think did elevate the experience. And we’re going to spoil it. You got to do it. Let’s break bad.

S5: Let’s let’s spoil the crap out of this thing. Okay so I totally enjoyed watching it. It gained like almost nothing from it like it was. I’m you know it’s nice to see all year old breaking down powers again but it really as we will get into really talking about the plot it really kind of advances things like very little for a show that was kind of so economical and Leon it’s a weird note for things to now have gone out on.

S6: I couldn’t agree more.

S4: So I would want to say I saw on this movie theater and I was like This is delightful. Like it’s very beautiful. It’s nice to be in a movie theater. The fact that it’s kind of like it is sort of like a bonus DVD extra stretched out till I could do our movie in that context was like very delightful but it’s not just that it doesn’t quite advance the plot like it’s not just that Jesse like ends up being OK just like you had hoped you heard or whatever. And then there’s all these like sort of details and whoops yes to jump through to get to that place. It’s at watching and I realized like by the end of Breaking Bad for all the stuff that was happening with the plot and it’s a very well plotted show. It was really like a show about a kind of moral calculus like the whole thing about it like it was actually sort of for me anyway watching a certain point.

S7: Interesting and gripping about it was this weird complicated relationship that we and viewers bad fans good fans you know had with Walt and what he meant and what we wanted to happen to him and how what we wanted to happen to him may or may not have actually been what should have happened to him like morally and ethically speaking. And Jesse has always been kind of outside of that moral calculus. He was like you know he’s done a lot of very bad things but he is like the person we were permitted by the show to like a sort of whole heartedly. So actually this movie alchemy it was not animated by any of these thorny questions and in fact I think it really went out of its way to like make sure he you know there’s finally a gunfight that’s what got into you like they made sure he didn’t kill anyone but really bad guys you know like it’s like sort of. It just felt like it wasn’t there wasn’t actually so much of there there.

S8: Right. I mean I had an idea midway through kind of about what El Camino was going to be about and maybe I’ll get into that feature and I just this may have been me setting up expectations and then being mad on the thing for not meeting them. But I really thought it was going to kind of advance that moral calculus and then ultimately it didn’t.

S4: So let’s actually I was like talk about the plot of this movie.

S8: All right. So I mean this movie begins like literally well technically it opens with a flashback to to Jesse and Mike by the river you know presumably not long before Mike ends up being killed in the series but then the sort of first thing in the present tense of the movie is literally like the second after breaking bad ends. Jesse you kind of screaming in the El Camino driving away and then the movie takes place. I think you know maybe over a couple of days or maybe a couple of weeks at most and it’s just about Jesse trying to escape and find a way out of this bad situation that he is still in despite the fact that Walter has you know killed the Nazis who were holding him captive he’s still wanted by the police was involved with this very large drug operation you know doesn’t have any money and few friends and it’s basically how Jesse gets out of it and where he ends up right.

S4: So one way to think about it is it’s basically like you know like a Breaking Bad episode. Often like introduce some impossible dilemma that Jesse and Walt would like solve by the end of the episode to only have another dilemma introduced. I mean it was it was more graceful that was that is often what happened. And this feels like a sort of like it’s a similar thing. There’s like a number of hurdles that Jesse has to overcome to basically get a new identity and get out of Albuquerque. But he’s not Walt right. So he has you know he’s he’s not quite as smart so he has he has to do it a little bit of a different way. But everyone in the show that you’ve basically everyone in the show shows up most of them are in flashbacks. And you know they’re flashbacks because we know this character it’s dad right. But like you know it opens on Mike who we know his dad. Walt eventually shows up in a flashback the Krysten Ritter character who’s like Jesse’s love shows up in a flashback. There’s some other ones right.

S8: You’ve got bad hair and skinny people. Well that’s not a flashback because security. No. Yes. But yeah you’ve got. I think the character’s name is Ed but like the Robert Forester kind of cleaner care. Yeah. Gave you know shows up like Saul the way I don’t know your identity. He plays a very big role in this.

S1: Yeah there’s a long flashback to the things that happened with Todd the Jesse Clemons character. But basically what happens is just Jesse the character Jesse Pinkman shows up at Badger and Skinny Pete’s house where they’re having sort of I thought like pretty contrived banter in front of a video game and he’s Iraq and they let him in and he is you know like feral and extremely PTSD and we have a couple really harrowing at this point and very short sort of flashback to his experience being kept in a cage by the drug dealing Nazis. You know like he wakes up in this room in his house for the first night and he thinks the ceiling is a cage and he you know doesn’t know where he is and he sort of pulls a gun on his friends. There’s a scene it takes a shower where he flashes to like being you know fire host against a wall like it.

S4: He was tortured. He’s like a torch. He was tortured for months and he’s just gotten out and that it’s very he seems really messed up and it’s kind of hard to watch. And then actually that fades out as we get rolling which is basically he needs to figure out how to get out of Albuquerque and he needs a new identity. So his first stop which we sort of figure out what he’s doing in conjunction with these flashbacks about this day that the Todd character sort of took him while he was in prison Donna to do to basically dispose of a body of his cleaning lady. We learn that he’s looking for Todd’s money that Todd has hidden in his apartment. That was very satisfying like Breaking Bad ask sequence right. I don’t know. I like I enjoyed it.

S8: Right. I mean. Yeah. So. So Todd has all this money that he has basically you know stolen from Walt in the flashback. He has killed his cleaning lady because she discovered where he was keeping the money which was on a set of encyclopedias. I think Jesse Clemmons has maybe one of the best rules and the best performances in this thing the kind of banality of evil quality of him is just so great. Like he takes Jesse out of his cage and brings him over his house. Do you think he’s gonna help him move a couch or something like that and it’s just like oh I strangled my cleaning woman with a belt and not because she tried to steal my money but because she found my money it was like Hey look there’s this money in an encyclopedia. So and then he just murdered her and then needs Jesse to help him bury the body.

S4: So he’s like he’s like bummed out about it because she’s so nice and he like it’s like she got really nice eyes and he’s like oh we need to bury her in a nice place.

S8: She deserves that. She’s great like that episode concludes without saying. I mean I have a better place to hide and I know we’re going to put it where no one can find it. So then there’s this whole sequence in the president of Jesse ripping apart this apartment piece by piece you know pulling off the molding going into the walls etc. there’s some kind of overhead shots like diorama shots of this place just completely torn to shreds. And that yeah that’s kind of the most like purely like our back in the Breaking Bad groove thing again it’s like Mike taking apart the car to look for the bug on that show which to very good that’s actually that’s actually a Better Call Saul sequence but same idea. Yes it was that long sequence of him like ripping stuff apart of looking for stuff feels very much like back in a familiar groove.

S1: And like when he’s finally exhausted thinks he can’t do it anymore he bangs has had on the fridge and he finally discovers the money at which point yes two seeming cops come in who turn out not to be cops and Jesse gets in the sort of face off with them for the money and that sort of kick starts the rest of the plot which is basically that there’s a million dollars in Todd’s house. He ends up splitting it three ways with these guys who run a welding operation who it turns out you know constructed one of the devices that kept Jesse prisoner and Jesse takes the his third of a million dollars to Robert faster who was the character who had given both Walt and Jesse brand new identities at Saul’s behest. That Jesse had not taken had left had like had this opportunity go have a new life had ignored it Walt had gone sort of and I think the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad that’s like why he was off in the snowy wilderness. So Jesse finds this guy the vacuum cleaner star and is basically like locks the door and gives him all the money and it’s like I need a new identity. I’m ninety four percent sure you’re the guy who did this who I can do this for me. And Jesse’s eighteen hundred dollars shy and the Robert Fischer character is like call the police on him. So then Jesse Bass has to go get another 800 dollars so he again has like a little you know hit some hoops to jump through. This takes a long time but he like dupes his parents to get a gun. He goes and visits the welding guys and basically there’s this huge shootout where he kills two of them. I mean they’re very bad dudes we’ve we’ve been sort of led not like them. And then he blows up the welding plant takes the money to Robert Foster’s character who basically sends him to Alaska gets him to Alaska which is where Mike had told him he should go and the last like sequence of the show is Jesse with a whole brand new identity and a nice white sweater we can do a new car like in Alaska to live his life. And you know the first opening sequence of the movie Jesse’s like you know I want to go away and I’ll go and get away and I’ll make it right. And Mike says that’s the one thing you can ever do care you can never set it right.

S4: I just don’t know that’s actually the message of this movie. You know like it’s I hear like it’s true Jesse’s done all these bad things and in some way the Robert Foster character also says to him like it seems like you made your own you know you made your situation. I just am not right. I’m not sure that’s actually the emotional arc of this film as it is not like Oh Jesse can never make it right.

S8: Right in that opening scene is also Jesse. You can ask Mike like oh if you were if you were me and you could you know get away somewhere where would you go. And Mike says Alaska. And as soon as he said that I was like me opening the flashback of Mike. He says he would go to Alaska. So I’m like the second a last scene of the this movie is going to be a flashback to Jesse and wild and the last thing is going to be him in Alaska. And that was it. I mean that’s just not I’m a genius I mean it’s just like very it is very kind of predictable Yeah. In that way. So yeah it’s satisfying in the sense that it does what you thought it was gonna do but it really doesn’t do very much that you didn’t think it just to like get a little into this moral stuff.

S4: So like compared to Walter White Jesse Pinkman really is like a good actor I don’t mean I’m like as a thespian. I mean he’s like he has value somehow or whatever. You know he’s not as evil as Walt but he is of course like being a partner and as a news clip and this is like the country’s largest ever. That’s the ring. And he’s done a lot of our been party to lots of things including killing someone which you know like in the face shooting Gale in the face like what he felt very bad about. But he did do so. I think the position of the project towards Jesse is basically like we’re just allowed to really like Jesse and I do really like Jesse but there’s there’s a number of moments like there’s a moment when he’s with you see in this flashback to him this days he spent with Todd and they’re out in the desert burying his cleaning lady and Todd says I really want to you know I’d like to wanna say a few words to Jesse and she’s like No I didn’t know it like Todd is such a maniac but Todd sent him to get cigarettes. Jesse opens the glove compartment there’s a gun in the glove compartment. He takes the gun out. And the reason that Jesse isn’t doing it like he’s not trying to escape is because they’ve shot Andrea in front of him last time he tried to escape. So he’s been threatened if he escapes they will shoot Brock the little kid that he was very attached to his dead girlfriend son. So they have a sort of horrible but powerful conversation where Todd is very calm and basically like you need to put the gun down and he’s like well we’re gonna have a good day I’m going to go get pizza. Like what kind of pizza do you like. You know. And Jesse basically puts the gun down and says like you know pepperoni with tears in his eyes and like decides not to kill. And then we have this repeated in a moment in the present in the house where these two guys who he believes are cops show up at Todd’s house to keep searching and they sort of threaten him that there’s more cops outside and likewise he thing is going to happen if he shoots them is going well but it’s more you get the sense that it’s not that he believes them that he’s going to his life is going to be ruined if he shot that I should say I was just like he’s not a cop killer as he says it turns out by the way they’re not cops and he shoots them later but there’s all these moments right where he’s like going away from violence like he can’t kill innocent people.

S7: But I just like it just is very easy right. It’s very facile. It’s like Jesse feels horrible. He was a moral person who felt guilty about what he did. He was caged in and present and now like it’s fine like he he’s tortured so we can just not be tortured on his behalf. I mean he’s been let go Jesse go right.

S8: Right. Right. And that’s exactly the point where I don’t know you know to what extent to kind of hold this movie accountable for what turned out to be my misreading. But I think I kind of saw thought the same thing you did. I mean Jesse did this one thing in Breaking Bad that I don’t know if the show ever fully accounted for which he killed an innocent man in cold blood like you shot Gail in the film.

S7: I mean Gail’s not related to say fully innocent but yes I take your point. Gail is right.

S8: But I mean he did it to save his friend it wasn’t self-defense or anything like that. I mean you know they shot him in the face and I thought you know and Gail is one of the people that this movie does not flash back to and that I thought but I thought OK this is you know maybe the one thing left to do is to kind of fully reckoned with this and this is a movie about Jesse deciding that no matter what happens he’s not going to kill anybody ever again even though he did strangled Tom Vignali. And so all this you know him not using a gun you know him needing a gun for protection but not being willing to shoot people even if it means like he could have escaped. Todd. You know he could have killed the fake cops and taken the money seem like OK. But this is you know he’s drawn a moral line here and the show is kind of finally reckoning with this and then it you know comes up with this kind of contrived shootout where he goes to Robert Forester and he has like almost enough money but he like eighteen hundred dollars short. So he goes back to the fake cops and it’s like hey remember how we you we agreed to split the money three ways. I need Agent hundred dollars more than I’m not going to rob you for it. I’m just coming in and asking for it. And then the welding guys like OK. And they’ve been doing coke with their stolen money. And he says OK well let’s do a little shootout you know. And then Jesse cheats on that. He has two guns. So he’s holding one on him and then he shoots him with the other gun that’s hidden in his pocket kills the other fake cop. And it it’s like oh so. So he’s actually it’s just like.

S9: Killing to get out of a jam here and I’m not sure it’s like what have we learned.

S7: I don’t know what’s weirder than that is that the show basically goes out of its way to establish these other two guys as ok to kill. Right. Like right there creeps you know. I mean they’re as far as we know they’re basically no creepier I mean they’re much less creepy than Walter Jesse right. Like they run a welding company that does stuff for shady Nazis or whoever wants to pay them which like you know Jesse and Walter sold their meth to whoever. Right. It’s just not like they’re above doing that kind of thing and the guy that we see this horrible flashback of sort of when Jesse is sort of being attached he’s basically being in this like it was before his cage. He’s basically being attached to like a metal like a drain. Basic right. So he can run back and forth but he can’t and he’s changed his ways but he can’t escape it. And this guy who Jesse ends up killing and that we’re sort of a stop like is in this flashback where Kevin Rankin’s character who’s sort of like one of the guys was imprisoning Jesse sort of is like I think he’s gone. I think Jesse Pinkman is gonna escape from this really easily Well there you’re being. This isn’t hard enough and they beat and he. Kevin Rankin’s character so not the horrible welder who gets shot later. We bet you fifty dollars and you making a cage for free that Jesse can escape from this and they make basically Jesse like hurl his body back and forth presumably for hours trying to break this unbreakable thing. Now it’s a disgusting and very harrowing scene but it’s not the welder who’s actually like the asshole in that I mean it’s he’s the asshole for being there but that’s exactly the kind of like moral duplicity and complicity and passivity that Jesse and Walt did all the time. So it’s like I just think it’s it’s almost like the show in the first sequence where you see the welder sort of is like he has a gun and Jesse doesn’t and just he’s like I’m taking a third of this million dollars. And like if you want to shoot me go ahead I’m already dead if you do. And this is like not worth it to you. And the well they’re sort of like makes a decision like fine I’m not going to get in. He makes a calmer decision and then we see him later and he’s wanting to eat like a wild wild west dude shoot out what he does is the most worst and abhorrent. And suddenly it’s fine for Jesse to kill him or is like I don’t know leave this guy in some limbo where he’s also not that horrible and have Jesse kill him. I just think with the show it just felt like the show was making it too easy for us to just be like Go Jesse go you only kill bad guys you’ll do the right thing. And that is actually weirdly echoes I think some of people’s issue with Breaking Bad itself that even though it was kind of a very moral show and it sort of seemed like they people who are making it knew had their heads on straight about all that stuff there was like this actually self aggrandizing stuff about Walt that like the bad fan of the show was not incorrect to pick up on you know and that just felt like Leah like Walt still I mean yes he like you know lost his family who as he was supposedly doing a four hour long above above.

S10: But like he’s still like kinda got to go out like a hero. Right. You know he killed the Nazis and just Jesse free and it’s like he didn’t even that felt like I mean it felt like.

S8: Slightly fan services like we can’t you know what it’s like satisfying storytelling or whatever but it’s like he did it maybe didn’t even deserve that and maybe the show had told us that he didn’t deserve that.

S7: And also the last scene we see of Walt in the flashback of Walt and this movie which is pretty funny is it goes back to when Jesse is still like saying bitch all the time and like just such a little wanker in this scene the sort of the last beat of their ridiculous conversation which Walt is sort of lecturing Jesse about going to college and forgetting that he’s ever even graduated from high school is basically Jesse saying like I’ll get your family money no matter what happens because at this point in this in the flashback Walt had cancer he was dying of cancer. And and it’s like it’s like so our last night of all it like everyone is Jesse while being sincere about Walt being a kind of guy who does it for his family which is like really actually not where we ended with Walt. And it’s not like a really true thing about Walt but is the thing that is like people who are Walt defenders would say right like he’s doing it all for his family. I just I think it’s a little muddy. I think it’s a little muddy.

S10: I mean there’s there’s a great moment in that and the base of the scene is they’re kind of having like a motel diner breakfast the morning after they’ve done their first kind of a big cook in their RV out in the desert. And I have to say like I mean the real question behind this movie is just like Breaking Bad fans are kind of gonna see it regardless but is you know is it going to give you that level of satisfaction. I have to admit as much as I was sitting there like I haven’t really don’t need this like I really did.

S8: You know when that motel door opens and Walter White Bryan Cranston and his bald cap walks out and he’s Walter White again and especially when he started kind of talking in that voice like that was the one moment where I got like just a little bit of the vapors like it was kind of thrilling slip back into that character and the one you know to me like really effective moment in that scene is you know Walter saying to Jesse saying like oh you should go to college matron business. He’s like you know at least you didn’t have to wait until you’re my age to do something special. Great. And that really is like. That does kind of sum up Walt like so well that he wasn’t in the show eventually came around to this eventually. You know it’s like he wasn’t doing this for his family like he was just doing this because he felt like a schmuck who had never done anything interesting and this was like finally you know he had something that was his Yeah he was going to cook the best math in the whole world.

S4: I mean right. It’s a very that sequence is very good. It’s also so dark right. It’s like that’s Walt saying he doesn’t he thinks what he’s doing is great because it’s because it’s he has mastery. Right. Like it’s not great. Obviously it’s really bad. Yeah. I don’t want to be like too hard on it because I really like did enjoy it. It’s like one of the Breaking Bad episodes as well a plot like it really moves there is like funniness there’s pathos there’s like you know Aaron Paul’s very good at being sort of sad like I was entertained by sort of more than I was expecting to but I don’t know like as you said to be an I don’t know what it really adds and I think it actually sort of muddies the waters even a little further about some of the like extent morality of the breaking bad universe or whatever that like you know the relationship that it has to right and wrong and what we’re supposed to extract from it.

S1: Because the thing is like obviously you don’t have to watch everything and not every show is like a morality play that’s not what it is but this one really was in conversation with those ideas right. It was about those things I don’t I think that it’s it’s murkiness about some of those questions.

S8: I mean the closest this thing kind of comes to a moral statement is there’s a flashback to Jesse and Jane Fonda you know standing out on the side of the road like leaning back on his car like talking to each other and it’s kind of a continuation of the conversation from the show when they go to the Georgia O’Keeffe Museum and Jesse is kind of looking around he’s like why did she paint the same door like 20 times and Jane says well she was just kind of going where the universe took her. And you know the universe told her to paint this thing. So the conversation El Camino is Jesse comes saying like well yeah you know I’m just going where the universe takes me and Jane kind of turning what you said on the show around and being like Actually I’ve gone the way the universe takes me like my whole life. I don’t really like. Where that philosophy has brought me I think you actually need to choose where you’re going to go and not just follow which is sort of how Jesse ended up where he is. So it is I do think it flirts with some pretty it’s sort of you know sort of existentialist idea that is very much about like you know Jesse Lake needs to choose who is going to be and not just like kind of follow in Walter White’s wake.

S1: And it’s interesting to think about that because the show ends you know with Jesse driving off into the Alaskan wilderness and like by the way that means that if they want to make more episodes of television about Jesse they totally can.

S4: But it’s like have they. So the question becomes I mean have they actually like foreclose the possibility of Jesse like doing anything they’ll be worth making a TV show about right like is Jesse done doing bad so that he can never like be interesting in that way again or are we like three years or now when everyone feels like doing it like a Jesse show. And you know I’m not sure I could see a world where they do Jesse show even though I think like we’re sort of twisted in this moment I think like Jesse is marshaled the universe and is gonna only be like a solid citizen from now on.

S8: Yeah I mean I Well I think you know one thing El Camino proves maybe the most definitive statement it makes is that you know breaking bad really did tell the whole story.

S10: If they went to all this trouble got every about everybody back together in total secrecy made this two hour movie and the biggest question they have to answer is what direction Jesse went when he left. It’s like Oh you thought it was gonna go to Mexico but he went to Alaska. If that’s all going to be the biggest question they have left to answer there’s really not a whole lot left to tell.

S8: And the fact that you know I think better call saul is a great show. But I mean it is really indicative that that is they’ve gotten four seasons out of that by going back. Before breaking bad and probably eventually leading up to it. I you know I just I’m I’m sure you know Vince Gilligan could come up with an idea three years from now if Netflix gives him you know we’ll have many millions of dollars and says Hey you want to make another breaking bad movie especially if you know Aaron Paul’s movie career has once again failed to take off.

S7: Well he said Well here’s the thing. Yes.

S8: Oh yeah. I was I. I’m happy for him. But I mean yes I mean I’m sure they could come up with a May to make another movie but I don’t know. The fact that they made this one and did so little with it really indicates to me that they should not do it again.

S7: Yeah yeah. Hey I really like it’s funny when I really walked out of the theater I was like that was fun. But as I sat with that I was like that is also nothing kind of right.

S10: I mean it’s like neat to see and it’s shot. They got you know. Better Call Saul cinematographer Marshall Adams who has kind of taken over from Michael slow this as the breaking bad universe DP like it has always you know very sort of showy like better call saul shots is a shot from you know in the first scene with Mike there’s where the cameras just like in the middle of a river they keep kind of putting the camera like far away from the action and having something in the foreground that you think is gonna be significant. I mean it never turns out to be it’s just they’ve just obviously decided this is like a cool way to frame a shot that gets a little ridiculous. Like why are we focusing on this knick knack and Todd’s office or this random piece of paper and it’s just there’s no reason why are we focusing on that knick knack that was so weird it could have been somebody with that.

S11: What is it. Why do we care about this year. Yeah we did it. Maybe we just don’t remember it from the show or something like Google Breaking Bad knickknacks does that have a Wikipedia page. It might. No.

S4: I mean also there’s like this is like you know El Camino is the way I guess but I did find like some of the stuff about like so it’s like the show is really called the way and it’s Jesse’s way right. But like the actual stuff about the car or just like it seems sort of like the El Camino is like important at the beginning. So and like the first image like the credits play out against this red stripe that is the red stripe that runs down the hood of Taz El Camino but then you’re like oh it’s just like a car like it’s not actually it’s not it’s like a red.

S11: They were writing it and I’m just like wait a minute. You know what. El camino means Spanish right. Yeah. It’s like oh there’s a lot of shots of roads like I guess I got I guess.

S4: But I mean sure it’s a name for your thing. It doesn’t have like a lot of. Yeah. It was very enjoyable there loves enjoyable things about it. It went on like a little long. It is paced in a way like a TV show where all the episodes are like 15 minutes like there is just like there is this. Hurdle there is this whoop there is this event and then there’s the next one and the next one next one and you’re like if you were trying to put this on Quimby right.

S10: Right yeah. It’s going to. And this will end at 12:00 and it’s going to be I was going in movie theater it’s going to be on Netflix and it will eventually end up on on effects where the series ended and I think you know if you’d show me this is like two or three episodes of Breaking Bad I would have been fine with it. It would have would not have been as good as the best episodes of Breaking Bad. You know this is not kind of awesome India’s redux or something. You know it’s this would’ve been a fine Breaking Bad episode. I love the show. I’m not sad to see more of it but you know and it’s there’s no question like So it doesn’t the answer to that question is kind of really not important if you’re familiar with what happened in Breaking Bad.

S12: So like you watch Breaking Bad you know like the gist of the out storyline you definitely know eatery watch any of it to watch this like there’s no you will understand immediately what is happening if you watch the show. I think if you never watched the show I kind of don’t know why you would watch this. And I think there’s a lot of information you wont understand because there’s lots of flashbacks to people who are not explained and you don’t know anything.

S8: And also the show is better. So you should watch the show instead.

S12: Yeah but I mean I assume I assume the audience or people watching this movie who haven’t seen the showers very little. But maybe you’ve seen the show or any of the show like you could probably watch this pretty easily and certainly if you if you read wake up.

S8: Yeah I haven’t seen a second of Breaking Bad since it went off the air and it was I.

S1: There are a couple lines I’ve missed you know but I feel like I need to catch up on Wikipedia with what happened or like look up Jesse Pinkman storyline or just know that he was you know imprisoned in a cage for months before the end of the series. I think you’ll be there and able to watch it should you see it in a movie theater.

S10: I mean it it’s pretty it looks nice. You know why not. But it is not does not demand to be seen on the big screen. I mean having seen both in a movie theater I think this looks better on the big screen than Game of Thrones did. But it’s still just you know it’s it’s kind of a Netflix binge watch. You know if you you know put this on and you know made some spaghetti while you were watching it that would be fine too. There’s not really been a demand sort of total emotional immersion. So it exists and it’s fine and people watch it and the world will go this way.

S13: Totally. So like I mean I basically give it like a thumbs up but like not a deep thumbs up. Does that make sense like a like exactly you said it’s like a you can watch it. It’s good. Then you won’t remember it like it’s not going gonna stay with you in some way probably.

S9: Yeah I’ll give it a why not. Yeah.

S12: The beginning of it kind of I was like Oh is this going to stay with me because like Jesse’s so messed up. And so it’s so he’s so really traumatized but they really do like I almost like wanted the episode to be like him hiding out in Albuquerque like trying to find a therapist.

S13: Do you know him how that happen. Well if Jesse Pinkman is the most wanted man in Albuquerque How is he going to get the mental health services that he needs like that is. I was like Let’s do that episode. Like that’s what I sort of was imagining what going to happen that leg would’ve been better for me but maybe that’s what he’s trying to have to do in Alaska. So. Right.

S8: Yeah. That be I think you know Alaska has a pretty robust therapy community.

S13: So that’s it for us are are like basically positive with lots of being negative about Huckabee you know Breaking Bad.

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