How Musician Julien Baker Gets Unstuck

“You just start doing things that seem counterintuitive.”

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Episode Notes

This week, host Isaac Butler talks to musician Julien Baker about her new album Little Oblivions. In the interview, Julien discusses the process of writing the song “Favor” and how she combined pieces that were originally intended to be separate songs. She also describes her revision process and explains why Little Oblivions features more dissonant and abrasive sounds than her previous albums.

After the interview, Isaac and co-host Rumaan Alam help a teacher who wants to bring more creativity into the classroom.

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Julien talks about some of the music that has inspired her recently.

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Podcast production by Cameron Drews.


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