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The Real Lesson of San Francisco’s D.A. Recall

Chesa Boudin became district attorney as part of a wave of progressive prosecutors. As he leaves office, how do his peers survive?


Episode Notes

San Francisco is all but short-hand for “liberal American city,” but their progressive district attorney Chesa Boudin just got booted from office in a not-so-close recall. Elected as part of a wave of progressive prosecutors, why is Boudin now out, while his reformer-minded peers remain popular? And what does it mean for criminal justice reform in America?

Guest: Jessica Brand, founder and co-director of the Wren Collective, a consulting service focused on transforming the criminal justice system.

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Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Elena Schwartz, Carmel Delshad, Anna Rubanova and Sam Kim.


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  • Sonari Glinton is the host of the podcast Bring Back Bronco and formerly covered the economy and cars for NPR.