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A DOJ Lawyer’s Attempt to Overthrow the Election

And why the next attempt may be closer than you think.


Episode Notes

We’re still learning the details about how Donald Trump and his supporters tried to get the 2020 presidential election results overturned. One scheme involved attorneys general across several states, and lawyers deep in the Department of Justice. This is the story of one of those lawyers, Jeffrey Bossert Clark, and his desperate attempts to keep Trump in power.

Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, staff writer for Slate on the courts and law.

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  • Mary Harris is the host and managing editor of What Next, Slate's new daily news podcast. She has reported throughout the public radio system, for NPR, Marketplace, and WNYC.