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When the Vaccine Skeptic Is Your Dad

How to change a pandejo’s mind.


Episode Notes

Gustavo Arellano’s father is what he would call a pandejo—someone who doesn’t take COVID safety seriously. Since the beginning of the pandemic, Arellano has been fighting the uphill battle to dissuade him of his skepticism. And two weeks ago, his father finally got vaccinated.

We all know a pandejo. What can we learn from Arellano’s relationship with his father?

Guest: Gustavo Arellano, columnist for the L.A. Times.

Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Davis Land, Danielle Hewitt, and Elena Schwartz.


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  • Mary Harris is the host and managing editor of What Next, Slate's new daily news podcast. She has reported throughout the public radio system, for NPR, Marketplace, and WNYC.