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The Best Way to Punish Trump

There are a few options on the table. None is perfect.

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Episode Notes

With just over a week left in the Trump presidency, congressional Democrats are asking Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment and strip President Donald Trump of his power. Is that the right way to hold the president accountable?

Guest: Brian Kalt, law professor at Michigan State University. His latest book is Unable: The Law, Politics, and Limits of Section 4 of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.

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Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Davis Land, Danielle Hewitt, and Elena Schwartz, with help from Frannie Kelley.


About the Show

The problem with the news right now? It’s everywhere. And each day, it can feel like we’re all just mindlessly scrolling. It’s why we created What Next. This short daily show is here to help you make sense of things. When the news feels overwhelming, we’re here to help you answer: What next? Look for new episodes every weekday morning.

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  • Mary Harris is the host and managing editor of What Next, Slate's new daily news podcast. She has reported throughout the public radio system, for NPR, Marketplace, and WNYC.