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The Ukraine Scandal Was in Plain Sight

Why did it take a whistleblower to get our attention?


Episode Notes

In the late spring and early summer of 2019 there were these stories—stories that ran in the New York Times and BuzzFeed News about Rudy Giuliani and his back-channel campaign to get Ukraine’s help securing Donald Trump’s reelection. Though not easy reads, these articles are undoubtedly the first draft of what Washington can’t stop talking about now: the Ukraine scandal. So, what made the whistleblower’s version of the story stick?

Guest: Eric Umansky, deputy managing editor at ProPublica and editor of the podcast Trump, Inc.

Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Jayson De Leon, Danielle Hewitt, and Mara Silvers.

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The problem with the news right now? It’s everywhere. And each day, it can feel like we’re all just mindlessly scrolling. It’s why we created What Next. This short daily show is here to help you make sense of things. When the news feels overwhelming, we’re here to help you answer: What next? Look for new episodes every weekday morning.

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  • Mary Harris is the host and managing editor of What Next, Slate's new daily news podcast. She has reported throughout the public radio system, for NPR, Marketplace, and WNYC.