Finding Truth After Trump

A writer learns to think about what he puts into the world.


Episode Notes

Virginia Heffernan talks to Tony Schwartz, the author infamous for penning Donald Trump’s The Art of the Deal, about his latest audiobook, Dealing With the Devil: My Mother, Trump, and Me, how he’s atoned for creating The Art of the Deal, how Trump has impacted his life, and how we all grapple with our inner lawyers.

Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan. Engineering help from Richard Stanislaw.


About the Show

A podcast from Slate chronicling Donald Trump’s rise to the presidency and his current administration. Journalists Virginia Heffernan and León Krauze talk to reporters, historians, psychiatrists, and other experts to help explain who this man is and why this is happening, right now, in the United States of America.

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