The Collaborators and the Dissidents

Following their paths to emergence.


Episode Notes

Virginia Heffernan talks to Anne Applebaum, staff writer for the Atlantic and author of Twilight of Democracy, about how collaborators and dissidents emerge during a regime like Trump’s—or East Germany’s—how anti-communists like herself moved away from the Republican Party, and Laura Ingraham.

Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan. Engineering help from Richard Stanislaw.

Further Reading:

Laura Ingraham’s Descent Into Despair” by Anne Applebaum in the Atlantic.

Twilight of Democracy by Anne Applebaum


About the Show

A podcast from Slate chronicling Donald Trump’s rise to the presidency and his current administration. Journalists Virginia Heffernan and León Krauze talk to reporters, historians, psychiatrists, and other experts to help explain who this man is and why this is happening, right now, in the United States of America.

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