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Virginia Heffernan talks with law professor and MSNBC contributor Joyce Vance about Trump’s bloodlust, Turkey, building nonpartisan offices, that now-iconic Twitter image of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi disciplining Trump, Sen. Marsha Blackburn’s pushback, and rebuilding after 2020.
Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan. Engineering help from Merritt Jacob.
A podcast from Slate chronicling Donald Trump’s rise to the presidency and his current administration. Journalists Virginia Heffernan and León Krauze talk to reporters, historians, psychiatrists, and other experts to help explain who this man is and why this is happening, right now, in the United States of America.