The Waves

Negotiate Like a Woman

Everything you need to know to make sure you’re paid what you deserve.


Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of The Waves, it’s all about getting paid. Slate Money co-host Emily Peck is joined by Phoebe Gavin, a career coach and executive director of talent and development for In the first part of the show they unpack Emily’s New York Times article, “What Do You Think You Should Be Paid” and the trap of that question. In the second half, Phoebe gives her advice on how to make sure you are paid what you’re worth.

You can find Phoebe’s career coaching information here.

In Slate Plus, is International Women’s Day feminist?


Emily: These Precious Days: Essays, by Ann Patchett

Phoebe: Watching Gardeners’ World while wearing Nuit de Feu perfume.

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Shannon Palus and June Thomas.

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About the Show

Each week a pair of writers and guests talk through one news story we can’t stop thinking about, and unpack what gender has to do with it.

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  • Emily Peck is a veteran journalist who has worked as a writer and editor at national outlets like HuffPost, the Wall Street Journal, and the American Lawyer.