The Waves

The Case Against Ghislaine Maxwell

Why Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime girlfriend probably won’t testify.


Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of The Waves, senior managing producer of Slate podcasts June Thomas is joined by Slate senior writer Seth Stevenson to talk about the ongoing trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, which Seth has been covering since it started at the end of November. Maxwell is accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse minors by recruiting and grooming underage girls. First, Seth and June catch up on what has been happening in the courtroom now that the prosecution has rested its case. In the second half of the show, they unpack some of Maxwell’s history of benefiting from shady men and Seth predicts what’s to come. Looming over the trial, and our discussion: Is it fair to hold a woman accountable for aiding in a man’s wrongdoings?

Also mentioned in the episode: Seth’s 2019 account of his experience being a member of the jury in a murder trial.

In Slate Plus, Seth and June discuss TV shows that focus on young women trying to make it in New York media, like Younger and The Bold Type.


June: The British TV show Antiques Road Trip

Seth: The Peter Jackson documentary The Beatles: Get Back.

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.

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