The Waves

Can Feminists Visit FBoy Island?

The new HBO Max series resurfaces old tensions about watching reality dating shows.

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Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of The Waves, Waves producer Cheyna Roth and Slate senior culture editor Allegra Frank take a trip to FBoy Island. They discuss the ups and sexisms of HBO Max’s newest dating show and question why the narrative of women saving men persists. Later in the show, Allegra and Cheyna talk about the deception inherent in these shows and ask why everyone is the same type of beautiful.

In Slate Plus, Cheyna and Allegra continue The Waves’ ongoing series “Gateway Feminism” by talking about what helped make them feminists. For Allegra it’s Rookie magazine, and Cheyna talks about her love of the Pink Power Ranger.


Allegra: Keeping your hands busy during the final days of summer with Pokémon UNITE.

Cheyna: The children’s books authors and illustrators Lauren and Natalia O’Hara, especially their book The Bandit Queen.

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.

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Each week a pair of writers and guests talk through one news story we can’t stop thinking about, and unpack what gender has to do with it.

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  • Cheyna Roth is a podcast producer at Slate.

  • Allegra Frank is a senior editor at Slate, covering music, video games, and the internet. She worked previously at Polygon and Vox.