The Waves

The “Is George Washington Canceled?” Edition

The Waves on You Never Forget Your First, the particular fame of female celebrities, and women and alcoholism.


Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole discuss Alexis Coe’s George Washington biography You Never Forget Your First. Then, they dive into Taylor Swift and Jessica Simpson’s recent characterizations of how fame has shaped them. Finally, the panel talks about a string of recent studies and op-eds centered on women and alcoholism.

In Slate Plus: Is ghosting sexist?

Other items discussed on the show:

You Remember Jessica Simpson, Right? Wrong” by Lindsay Mannering in the New York Times.

Netflix’s Miss Americana Unveils a New Taylor Swift” by Sam Adams in Slate.

Alcohol Deaths Have Risen Sharply, Particularly Among Women” by Matt Richtel in the New York Times.

The Patriarchy of Alcoholics Anonymous” by Holly Whitaker in the New York Times.

Feminism Is Helping Women Recover From Substance Abuse” by Alexandra Ma in Vice.


Nichole: Playing with Fire on Netflix.

June: The Expanse on Amazon Prime.

Christina: “Intro to Human Physiology” class on Coursera.

Marcia: I Love Myself When I Am Laughing… A Zora Neale Hurston Reader, edited by Alice Walker.


About the Show

Each week a pair of writers and guests talk through one news story we can’t stop thinking about, and unpack what gender has to do with it.

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  • June Thomas is the co-host of Slate's Working podcast. She is writing a book about archetypical lesbian spaces.

  • Nichole Perkins is a writer and co-host of the podcasts Thirst Aid Kit and the Waves.

  • Marcia Chatelain is an associate professor of history and African American studies at Georgetown University.

  • Christina Cauterucci is a Slate senior writer.