The Waves

The “Bless This Mess” Edition

The Waves on bipartisan relationships, “safe, legal, and rare” abortion, and the rise of the lonely Instagram influencer.

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Episode Notes

On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, Marcia, and June dive into the tension between love and politics in light of a recent piece on Democratic women married to MAGA-loving men. Then, they talk about the implications of framing abortion as “safe, legal, and rare,” as Tulsi Gabbard did in the most recent Democratic presidential debate. Finally, the panel considers the lonely social media “It Girl.” Are influencers’ “getting real” posts truly authentic?

In Slate Plus: Was it sexist for Joe Biden to tell Elizabeth Warren at the most recent Democratic debate “I got you votes,” regarding her creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?

Other items discussed on the show:

• “The Politics of Planned Parenthood,” by Christina Cauterucci
• “Who Would I Be Without Instagram?,” by Tavi Gevinson
• Meghan Markle’s recent interview with ITV
• “The Passion of Dan Choi,” by Gabriel Arana


June: Jamie Barton’s Twitter and Instagram accounts.

Christina: Tegan and Sara’s memoir High School and album, Hey, I’m Just Like You.

Marcia: The podcast Call Your Girlfriend as well as its upcoming live show on Saturday in Washington.

This podcast was produced by Sara Burningham. Production assistance by Rachael Allen.

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About the Show

The Waves is a biweekly conversation about news and culture examined through the lens of gender and feminism. Every other Thursday, join the hosts—including Slate’s June Thomas, Slate staff writer Christina Cauterucci, Marcia Chatelain of Georgetown University, and Thirst Aid Kit’s Nichole Perkins—for frank discussions about the ways gender shapes everything. Our new name reflects generations of women from the various waves of feminism, the sound waves that carry us to your ears, and the waves we intend to make.

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