The Waves

The “Soupçon of Hope” Edition

The Waves on Elizabeth Warren’s electability, Why Women Kill, and sex scenes.

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The Waves is a biweekly conversation about news and culture examined through the lens of gender and feminism. Every other Thursday, join the hosts—including Slate’s June Thomas, Slate staff writer Christina Cauterucci, Marcia Chatelain of Georgetown University, and Thirst Aid Kit’s Nichole Perkins—for frank discussions about the ways gender shapes everything. Our new name reflects generations of women from the various waves of feminism, the sound waves that carry us to your ears, and the waves we intend to make.

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On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, Marcia, and Nichole discuss the New York Times article “Many Democrats Love Elizabeth Warren. They Also Worry About Her.” The article documents how even those voters who support Warren question whether she could defeat Donald Trump in an election. The panelists point out some of the incongruities and sexism inherent in this argument and discuss their views of the electorate. Then, they talk about Marc Cherry’s new CBS show Why Women Kill. The show follows three women from three different eras who, it is hinted, will murder in the course of the narrative. The show aims for high camp and puts a lot of effort into production value, but can it hold together the wide-ranging plot? Finally, the panel considers the new practice of hiring intimacy coordinators for productions that feature intimate scenes. If fight scenes are choreographed, why aren’t sex scenes? The panelists reflect on how #MeToo has helped lead to this moment and what it might mean for content going forward.

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Other items discussed on the show:

• “Many Democrats Love Elizabeth Warren. They Also Worry About Her” by Jonathan Martin in the New York Times
• “It’s a Question No One Says They Want to Ask. But the Women Running for President Keep Hearing It” by Lisa Lerer in the New York Times
• “Marc Cherry on ‘Why Women Kill,’ ‘Golden Girls’ and Felicity Huffman” by Chris Azzopardi in the New York Times
• The TV show Desperate Housewives
• The TV show The Golden Girls
• “The Endangered Sex Scene” by Kate Julian in the Atlantic
• “Sex Is Disappearing From the Big Screen, and It’s Making Movies Less Pleasurable” by Ann Hornaday in the Washington Post
• The organization Intimacy Directors International
• The TV show High Maintenance
• The TV show The Affair

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This podcast was produced by Danielle Hewitt. Production assistance by Cleo Levin.

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