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The Directionless are Misleading

Mike indulges his calling of mocking the ridiculous claims in the Trump Impeachment trial.

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Episode Notes

On the Gist, Mike lives for the arguments Trump’s lawyers are making because, well, they’re really bad.

In the Interview, “She loves America. For her, she was there showing support for the American political process.” SUNY Geneseo political science professor and author Karleen West talks to Mike about her mother’s participation in the January 6th insurrection. West has spent years studying insurrections in Latin America, but on January 6th, her personal and professional collided. Mike and West talk about how West’s mother is a strong woman, but doesn’t consider herself a feminist, the radicalization of her mother, and how her mother is still proud of her…despite not really knowing what her career is.

In the spiel, assailing democrats, and two words: Swiss cheese.

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  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.