The Gist

Belknaps and Bad Lawyers

Trump’s lawyers bloviated, and are as impressive as you assumed they would be.


Episode Notes

On the Gist, the Belknap case is clear precedent.

In the Interview, it’s round two of vaccine talk. Mike and Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, a former Detroit health director and epidemiologist, talk about equity and the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine. They also discuss why we shouldn’t heroicize the pharmaceutical industry, using the issue of the sixth dose as a compelling example. El-Sayed’s new book Medicare for All: A Citizen’s Guide is out now. He’s also the host of America Dissected from Crooked Media, among many other projects.

In the spiel, Trump’s defense tested a few losing arguments.

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  • Mike Pesca hosted Slate’s daily podcast The Gist from 2014 - 2021.