The Gist

Pardon Me?

Trump issues pardons in his final hours of the presidency.

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Episode Notes

On the Gist, before he jetted off to the sunshine state, Trump had a last bit of business to attend to.

In the interview, Mike talks to Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, senior associate dean of leadership programs, and the Lester Crown Professor in the Practice of Management for the Yale School of Management. He is also founder and president of the Chief Executive Leadership Institute. Mike and Sonnenfeld discuss C.E.L.I., a nonprofit educational and research institute focused on CEO leadership and corporate governance, and Trump’s influence on their decision making.

In the spiel, oh the people he pardoned.

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Podcast production by Margaret Kelley and Cheyna Roth.


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  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.