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America Has Failed

We can’t tough this out, and we’re too dumb to admit that.

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Episode Notes

On the Gist, staying hopeful, but realistic.

In the interview, author, podcast host, and magazine editor Kurt Andersen joins Mike to talk about his new book, EVIL GENIUSES: The Unmaking of America: A Recent History. In it, Andersen explains how big business ran unchecked during the final decades of the 20th century allowing greed to ascend and the working person to feel powerless, all while unraveling the fabric of middle class normalcy.

In the spiel, Trump tapped Anthony Tata.

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  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.