The Gist

Guns Make Everything Worse

The same encounter in the U.S. and abroad can have wildly different results.

Illustration depicting a female with a microphone

Listen longer

Slate Plus members get ad-free versions of all Slate podcasts, plus extra segments, bonus episodes, and more. Try it today for just $1.

Join Slate Plus

Episode Notes

On the Gist, guns in the U.K. and the U.S.

In the interview, we share part two of our conversation with Barry Friedman, founder of the Policing Project at NYU Law, author and legal scholar. Friedman suggests that a hurdle to creating new policies and training is the lack of accountability and uniform data gathering processes provided from police departments around the country. The central idea to the project is how to create good police departments.

In the spiel, J.K. Rowling.

Email us at

Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Margaret Kelley.


About the Show

A daily evening show about news, culture, and whatever else you’ll be discussing with friends and family tonight.

All episodes


  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.