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Trump’s Dangerous Optimism

He’s acting like a fool.

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On the Gist, how to stay out of the ICU.

In the interview, Mike talks about why the US was less prepared for a pandemic like COVID-19 with Andy Slavitt, former head of Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act for the Obama Administration. They discussed why high uninsured rates, high co-pay costs, and low medical capacity make the country as a whole more vulnerable.

In the spiel, foolish optimism about COVID-19.

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  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.