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A Bunch of Dopes and Babies

We shouldn’t get swept up with new quotes from old meetings.

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Episode Notes

On the Gist, revisiting the travel ban.

In the interview, we talk with Susan Hennessey and Benjamin Wittes, the editors of Lawfare, about their new book, Unmaking the Presidency: Donald Trump’s War on the World’s Most Powerful Office. They discuss the precedents that Trump has broken as POTUS and paint a stark picture of the future of the executive office if he is reelected.

In the spiel, “a bunch of dopes and babies.”

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Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Priscilla Alabi.

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  • Mike Pesca is the host of the Slate daily podcast The Gist. He also contributes reports and commentary to NPR.

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