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On The Gist, what does quid pro quo even mean?
In the interview, Mike talks to Ash Carter about his time as the 25th secretary of defense, what he would have done if he were Jim Mattis, and what he thinks about Trump’s military strategy in Syria.
In the Spiel, Trump and Erdogan are back at it again.
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Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Christina Djossa.