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Cathy O’Neil is back to talk COVID-19 models, the big media reckoning and The Ford Foundation.


Episode Notes

Cathy O’Neil is back! She joins Felix Salmon, Emily Peck and Anna Szymanski to explain why COVID-19 models are confusing, talk about the media world’s big reckoning with its own racism, and the Ford Foundation’s new bonds plan.

In the Slate Plus segment: A tech startup that’s trying to detect women’s orgasm.

Podcast production by Jessamine Molli.


About the Show

A weekly roundup of the most important stories from the worlds of business and finance, hosted by Felix Salmon, Emily Peck, and Elizabeth Spiers.

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  • Emily Peck is a veteran journalist who has worked as a writer and editor at national outlets like HuffPost, the Wall Street Journal, and the American Lawyer.

  • Felix Salmon is a host of the Slate Money podcast.

  • Anna Szymanski is a columnist at Reuters Breakingviews. She previously worked in emerging markets investment and is a CFA charterholder.