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The “Good Order and Discipline” Edition

Trump fires the secretary of the Navy, impeachment, and new holidays we should celebrate in the U.S.

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Episode Notes

Here are some of the links and references from this week’s show:

• Spencer Ackerman and Asawin Suebsaeng for the Daily Beast: “Trump Tells Allies He Wants Absolved War Criminals to Campaign for Him

• William James: “The Moral Philosopher and the Moral Life

Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes

• Charles W. Mills: “ ‘Ideal Theory’ as Ideology

The Aeneid, by Virgil

Here are this week’s cocktail chatters:

• Emily: John Hendrickson for the Atlantic: “What Joe Biden Can’t Bring Himself to Say

• Jamelle: Watchmen on HBO

• David: The heart-wrenching/soothing music of the women of country music, including: Brandi Carlile, Patsy Cline, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Iris Dement, Emmylou Harris, Loretta Lynn, Jo Dee Messina, Ashley McBryde, Ashley Monroe, Maren Morris, Kacey Musgraves, Dolly Parton, and Lucinda Williams

• Listener Rachel Johnston, @rachmjohnston: Katherine Rosenberg-Douglas for the Chicago Tribune: “Only 1 Invited Guest Showed Up to a Plainfield Boy’s Birthday Party, So Firefighters Celebrated With Him Instead

For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, Emily, David, and Jamelle discuss things they learned in college that have stuck with them.

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Podcast production by Jocelyn Frank.

Research and show notes by Bridgette Dunlap.

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Voted “Favorite Political Podcast” by Apple Podcasts listeners. Stephen Colbert says, “Everybody should listen to the Slate Political Gabfest.” The Gabfest is hosted by Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz. Listen for the debates, stay for the cocktail chatter.

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  • David Plotz is a host of the Slate Political Gabfest, an editor at large at Business Insider, and the former CEO of Atlas Obscura.

  • Emily Bazelon is a staff writer at the New York Times Magazine, the author of Charged and Sticks and Stones, and co-host of the Slate Political Gabfest.

  • Jamelle Bouie is a New York Times opinion columnist. He was formerly Slate’s chief political correspondent.