Mom and Dad Are Fighting

The Boy-Girl Friend Divide Edition

Slate’s parenting podcast on if the age-old split among friends still happens.


Episode Notes

On this week’s episode: Jamilah and Dan are joined by longtime friend of the pod, Jessica Winter. Jessica just released her next novel, The Fourth Child. They answer a question from a mom of a little boy whose current friend group is all girls. She’s worried that he’s going to be ditched and without a group of friends as they all age. Then they tackle a question from a mom who has had it with her kids’ shouting a rather annoying nonsense word.

In Slate Plus: Inspired by Jessica’s little deconstructor, they’ll be commiserating over the worst things their kids have destroyed. Sign up for Slate Plus.


Jessica recommends picture books by Melissa Iwai. 

Dan recommends The Fourth Child by Jessica Winter.

Jamilah recommends So Delicious’ Dairy Free Oatmilk Peanut Butter and Raspberry frozen dessert. 

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Podcast produced by Rosemary Belson.


About the Show

Jamilah Lemieux, Elizabeth Newcamp, and Zak Rosen share triumphs and fails and offer advice on parenting kids from toddler to teens.

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