Mom and Dad Are Fighting

College Campus Conundrum

Slate’s parenting podcast debates the cost of schools changing their plans for in-person instruction.

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Episode Notes

On this week’s episode: Jamilah and Elizabeth are joined by Natalie Hopkinson.

Natalie is an assistant professor in the doctoral program in Howard University’s Department of Communication, Culture and Media Studies. She is also an award-winning essayist, critical-cultural scholar and the author of three books: A Mouth Is Always Muzzled: Six Dissidents, Five Continents, and the Art of Resistance, Go-Go Live: The Musical Life and Death of a Chocolate City, and Deconstructing Tyrone

They discuss college students making consequential decisions about whether or not they can, or should, return to campus. Many institutions are still changing policies, which may have significant consequences to students safety, financial welfare, travel plans, and quality of education. Especially if the student is in a field that requires hands-on experience.
The hosts also debate if a little one is sharing too much with his K9 bestie.

In Slate Plus: Elizabeth, Jamilah and Natalie reminisce about their college days. Sign up for Slate Plus.


Jamilah recommends making an easy Key Lime Pie. Just follow the instructions on the back of the Nellie & Joes: Famous Key West Lime Juice bottle.

Natalie recommends Grace for President by Kelly DiPucchio and Islandborn by Junot Díaz.

Elizabeth recommends the card game Ecosystem.

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The Kids Are Asleep, the hilarious Slate Live show. Catch it via Slate’s Facebook or YouTube on Thursdays at 10:00 p.m. ET / 7:00 p.m. PT.

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Podcast produced by Rosemary Belson.


About the Show

Jamilah Lemieux, Dan Kois, and Elizabeth Newcamp share triumphs and fails and offer advice on parenting kids from toddler to teens.

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  • Jamilah Lemieux is a writer, cultural critic, and communications strategist based in Brooklyn, New York.

  • Elizabeth Newcamp is a co-host of Mom and Dad Are Fighting. She's a traveling mother of three boys who chronicles her misadventures at Dutch, Dutch, Goose.

  • Natalie Hopkinson, Ph.D., is a cultural scholar and has been a columnist, editor, and media critic at HuffPost, the Root, and the Washington Post. Her most recent book, A Mouth Is Always Muzzled, was long-listed for the 2019 PEN America Diamonstein-Spielvogel Award for the Art of the Essay.