Mom and Dad Are Fighting

Radical Rabbit Hole

Slate’s parenting podcast debates what to do if political pundits are influencing your teen.


Episode Notes

On this week’s episode: Jamilah and Elizabeth are joined by Denene Millner. Denene is an award-winning journalist, New York Times best-selling author, founder and editor of the parenting website, runs the inprint Denene Millner Books, and hosts two shows: Speakeasy with Denene and A Seat at the Table.

We have two listener questions this week. One is from a mother who is concerned about her teenage son’s rather conservative media consumption. They’ll also answer a question about how to teach empathy to a little one with a streak of egotistical behavior.

In Slate Plus: Jamilah and Elizabeth will be talking to Denene about representation in children’s books. Sign up for Slate Plus.


Denene recommends Me & Mama by Cozbi A. Cabrera. If Dominican Were a Color written by Sili Recio and illustrated by Brianna McCarthy. Purchase these books at your independent bookstore.

Elizabeth recommends Chrome Music Lab.

Jamilah recommends Girls Make Beats and the Girls Make Beats Instagram.

Additional Recommendations:
The Kids Are Asleep, the hilarious Slate Live show. Catch it via Slate’s Facebook or YouTube on Thursdays at 10:00 p.m. ET / 7:00 p.m. PT.

Early Sunday Morning by Denene Millner and illustrated by Vanessa Brantley-Newton.

The Way I Act and The Way I Feel by Janan Cain and Steve Metzger.

A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

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Podcast produced by Rosemary Belson.


About the Show

Jamilah Lemieux, Elizabeth Newcamp, and Zak Rosen share triumphs and fails and offer advice on parenting kids from toddler to teens.

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  • Denene Millner is an award-winning journalist, New York Times bestselling author, and founder and editor of the parenting website She also runs the imprint Books and hosts two shows, Speakeasy With Denene and A Seat at the Table.

  • Jamilah Lemieux is a writer, cultural critic, and communications strategist based in L.A.

  • Elizabeth Newcamp is a co-host of Mom and Dad Are Fighting. She's a traveling mother of three boys who chronicles her misadventures at Dutch, Dutch, Goose.