Mom and Dad Are Fighting

Let Black Girls Be Girls Edition

Slate’s parenting podcast discusses how “adultification” harms black girls’ childhood.

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Episode Notes

On this week’s episode: Dan and Jamilah are joined by poet, performer, and activist Staceyann Chin to field a question from a mom who’s worried she should give her son a year to grow before he starts kindergarten. Scott Brown, author of the YA novel XL and short guy, calls in to help. The hosts also discuss disproportionate expectations of maturity placed on black girls during childhood. For Slate Plus: a question from a mom wondering if she is can worry about her white son’s experience at a school that has predominantly black and Hispanic students. Sign up for Slate Plus here.


Jamilah recommends The State of Black Girls: A Go-To Guide for Creating Safe Space for Black Girls by Marline Francois-Madden LCSW.

Dan recommends the Newbery-winning comic New Kid by Jerry Craft.

Staceyann recommends Ada Twist, Scientist by Andrea Beaty.

Additional Reading:

XL by Scott Brown.

Why Won’t Society Let Black Girls Be Children? By A. Rochaun Meadows-Fernandez.

Pushout: The Criminalization of Black Girls in Schools. By Monique W. Morris.

Girlhood Interrupted: The Erasure of Black Girls’ Childhood by Rebecca Epstein, Jamilia J. Blake and Thalia González.

End Adultification Bias by Georgetown Law Center on Poverty and Inequality.

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Podcast produced by Rosemary Belson. Audio engineering by Chau Tu.


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Jamilah Lemieux, Dan Kois, and Elizabeth Newcamp share triumphs and fails and offer advice on parenting kids from toddler to teens.

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