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Now Is the Time to Escape Your Bad Relationship. Here’s How.

Can I lose the benefits but keep the friend?


Episode Notes

Dating is always tough, but during a pandemic it can feel downright impossible. “I’m incredibly lonely, and it’s impossible to meet anybody my age right now,” our listener Sarah said. Feeling isolated, Sarah has clung to a friends-with-benefit situation with Matthew, her friend and dance partner. But at 36, Sarah knows the relationship isn’t meant to last. On this episode of How To!, we bring on Logan Ury, director of relationship science at Hinge, dating coach, and author of How to Not Die Alone: The Surprising Science That Will Help You Find Love, to help Sarah break up with Matthew and move on. And moving on, Logan says, doesn’t necessarily mean just dating. What Sarah might really be missing is a community—and so she ought to search for not only a romantic partner but also friends who function as “other significant others.”

If you liked this episode, check out: “How To Find Your First Kiss at 38.”

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Podcast production by Derek John, Rachael Allen, and Rosemary Belson.


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