A Word … With Jason Johnson

They Want to Kill Americans

“They brag about having all the guns. They mean it.”


Episode Notes

This week’s Jan. 6 congressional hearings offered an in-depth look at the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and other violent extremist groups that organized the insurrection. On today’s episode of A Word, Jason Johnson discusses the issues with counterterrorism expert Malcolm Nance, who has spent years chronicling the rise of white supremacist and other American political extremist movements. His new book is They Want to Kill Americans: The Militias, Terrorists, and Deranged Ideology of the Trump Insurgency.

Guest: Analyst Malcolm Nance

Podcast production by Kristie Taiwo-Makanjuola.


About the Show

America doesn’t need another conversation about race. At least, not the kind we’ve been having … the ones that are sparked by a crisis and move quickly from shock to empty promises to forgetting. No. What America needs are REAL conversations about race—ones that shine a light on the facts, the history, and the reality of how race plays out in our politics and society. That’s what Slate offers each week on A Word … with Jason Johnson. A veteran political commentator, Johnson will bring his incisive wit to thoughtful discussions with leaders, journalists, and other change-makers who will tell the truth about America’s challenges around race and offer ideas on the way forward.

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