The Gist

The CIA’s Bad Ideas

A lot of them involved animals.

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On The Gist, the metal straw incident.

In the interview, Vince Houghton is a historian and the curator of the International Spy Museum and he’s here to talk about his new book Nuking the Moon: And Other Intelligence Schemes and Military Plots Left on the Drawing Board. Why did we want to drop goat poop on Germans? Can a cat be trained for espionage?

In the Spiel, the citizenship question.

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Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Pierre Bienaimé.