When the Spire Falls

A gut-check conversation after Barr and other news of this week.

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Virginia Heffernan welcomes back Dahlia Lithwick, host of Slate podcast Amicus, to talk William Barr, Michael Avenatti, Christine Blasey Ford’s honor in Time magazine, and the strategies by which corrupt actors in the administration slip through our fingers.

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Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan with help from Merritt Jacob.

More Trumpcast episodes with Virginia Heffernan and Dahlia Lithwick:

How Our Branches of Government Hold Up in 2019

What to Make of the Kavanaugh Hearings

How the Law Frames the Trump Problem We Have to Solve