Paul Manafort and the Heart of Collusion

The info that presents hard-to-escape conclusions.

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Virginia Heffernan talks to Danny Cevallos, a criminal defense attorney and MSNBC legal analyst, about Paul Manafort, branching off into Michael Cohen, Mikhail Lesin, Konstantin Kilimnik, and the idea that Trump is not the top of the Mueller investigation.

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Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan with help from Merritt Jacob.