To listen to this episode of Trumpcast, use the player below:
In Part 2 of Virginia Heffernan’s talk with Proof of Collusion author Seth Abramson, the pair puts Donald Trump’s trip to the Miss Universe pageant in Moscow in 2013 under a microscopic lens. Plus, Trump’s ambition to build enormous Russian towers, his relationship with evangelicals, and a sketch exploring how Trumpian logic could “fix journalism.”
• Trump-Russia Is Too complex to Report. We Need a New Kind of Journalism. —Seth Abramson, the Guardian
Follow Trumpcast on Twitter: @realtrumpcast
Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan with help from Merritt Jacob.