What Next

“And Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof … ”

The authors of the 14th Amendment made their intentions clear, but Trump continues to twist it for political advantage.

One of 215 new citizens looks at the United States Constitution after a ceremony at the National Archives on Sept. 17, 2012 in Washington.
One of 215 new citizens looks at the United States Constitution after a ceremony at the National Archives on Sept. 17, 2012 in Washington.
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There’s a clause in the 14th Amendment that people wanting to change it continue to come back to: “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Professor Garrett Epps of the Atlantic joins us to explain why it’s absurd for Trump to think he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order —and also why it’s not absurd to talk about him wanting to change it.

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