The Gist

ISIS Isn’t Done With

And once it is, terrorism itself won’t be solved.

A member of the Iraqi forces holds an upside down ISIS flag in the northern Iraqi town of Sharqat on Sept. 22, after ousting the jihadists from the town.

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