Hillary Clinton Versus the Benghazi Talking Points

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on the September 11, 2012 attack on the US mission in Benghazi, Libya, during a hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, on January 23, 2013. Secy. Clinton warned of the challenges posed by rising militancy after the Arab Spring as she appeared before US lawmakers Wednesday to be grilled about a deadly attack. ‘Benghazi didn’t happen in a vacuum,’ Clinton said at the start of a Senate hearing into the September 11 assault on a US mission in eastern Libya. AFP PHOTO / Saul LOEB (Photo credit should read MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images) Photo by MANDEL NGAN/AFP/Getty Images

My Foreign Policy colleague Josh Rogin is covering the substance of Hillary Clinton’s congressional inquisition. Watching it, I’m struck by the division between two kinds of Republicans. Group One has questions about the timing of the Benghazi attack, what the State Department could have done to prevent it, what it can do now. Group Two wants the truth, damn it, about the talking points that Susan Rice used on the Sunday shows after the attacks.

Group One basically consisted of Marco Rubio. Group Two was everybody else: John McCain, Ron Johnson, Jeff Flake, and Idaho’s Jim Risch. Risch wanted to know whether Clinton signed off on Susan Rice going on the Sunday shows: “Were you consulted in that decision?”

“No,” said Clinton – shock in the galleries! – “but it would not be in any way unusual.”

Sen. Ron Johnson, a plainspoken member of the class of 2010, was more aggressive. Why hadn’t the State Department interviewed survivors from the attacks immediately, to find out whether people were beseiged by a protest or by a terror attack?

“Senator, when you’re in these positions, the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process going on,” Clinton said.

“I realize that’s a good excuse,” Johnson snarked.

“Well, no, it’s the fact,” Clinton said. “Even today, there are questions being raised. We have no doubt they were terrorists, they were militants, they attacked us, they killed our people. But what was going on, and why they were doing what they were doing, is still, is still unknown.”

Johnson pressed her again on the Talking Points. “What difference does it make now?” said Clinton, exasperated, cutting the air with her hand.

But the shaming continued. “After [Rice] testified,” said Sen. Jeff Flake, “it was clear that what she testified to was at variance with the State Department.” Sen. John McCain reminded the room of the Sunday shows, and what he himself had said on the shows.

“I categorically reject your answer to Sen. Johnson that we didn’t ask these survivors, who were flown to Rammstein the next day, whether there was a protest,” he said. “Why is it the deletions to Al Qaeda and terrorism in the talking points!”

Clinton shrugged. “We have a disagreement about what happened and when it happened, when it came to explaining the sequence of events.” McCain’s issues, she suggested, could be explained if he studied a bit more. “We had no access to the surveillance cameras for weeks,” she said. “I would urge that you look and read both the classified and unclassified versions” of the reports.