While often viewed as one of the more picturesque, aesthetically pleasing American cities, San Francisco receives poor marks on its architecture from critic Witold Rybczynski in this latest Slate review. If nothing else, his assessment validates former Fray Editor kevinarno’s general feeling that San Francisco belongs in Woody Allen’s Academy of the Overrated (alongside Kierkegaard, Lenny Bruce, and Vincent van Gogh).
Of course, not all Fraysters feel the same way. shortpinesBC would take “San Francisco’s warm, quirky fun spaces” to the “steel and glass modernist” structures preferred by Rybczynski any day of the week. ahurvitz2 expresses befuddlement at the review:
I can’t think of a city in the America with a more distinct and humane style of building than SF. The thousands of row houses, the elegant Art Deco apartment houses of Nob Hill, the Victorian houses, the Golden Gate Bridge, Union Square, the Marina, Pacific Hts. Every section is unique and distinguished in its own particular way. I want to throw in the cable cars, Lombard Street, Haight-Asbury, Chinatown, the Transamerica Tower, Coit Tower, North Beach, the Embarcadero, Alcatraz….What do any of these lack?
Would you rather replace all of this with a rolled up and crushed piece of silver foil called Frank O. Gehry in your quest for architectural egoism?
For PoliticalEconomist, Rybczynski overlooks the importance of SF’s fantastic Victorian houses:
Wonderful downtown skylines and daring museums are worthy public goals. But it is on residential streets that most of the citizens spend most of their time. Residential houses are the buildings amongst which we live, play, and take walks, leave in the mornings and return to in the evenings. Even mediocre skylines have a majesty about them that springs from sheer size alone; so long as there exists at least one or two signature buildings they need not all be fantastic. Museums are, for most, a pleasure for a rare Sunday afternoon once in a season. But a culture of beautiful houses spruces up our lives on a daily and intimate basis.
slyfox4 indicts Rybczynski for “daring to discuss the architecture of a city that was nearly destroyed 100 years ago and not even mention the distructive force that earthquakes have had on the city given the effect this must have had on whatever buildings did survive and the engineering of everything built since 1906.”
design-junkie points to the absence of stellar design schools located in the city. DCPAlumni blames not the lack of architectural talent but overzealous community activists and fussy planning commissioners:
The fact is San Francisco is filled with activists of all stripes who believe they should put their stamp of approval on every building project in the City, whether it is the height or the architectural design. Therefore, controversial architectural designs are homogenized to make them more palatable to the throngs of activists and the results are often uninspiring designs…… much of the City’s architecture from the 1970’s and the 1980’s was uninspired because the City’s zoning height and bulk limits created “refrigerator box” building envelopes which developers filled to the maximum extent possible. The Planning Commissioners of those decades failed to dictate quality architectural designs when they approved construction of the Downtown highrise office buildings and as a result the City’s Downtown has some wonderful buildings designed and built in the first 50 years of the 20th Century and some really ugly, plain buildings built in the 1960’s, 1970’s and the 1980’s.
Architect Cantor explains the difficulty of attracting “starchitects” to world-class cities:
Creating great architecture requires the developer to do more work, more research, spend more money on design fees, and take a risk. That’s why you see great architecture coming to lesser know cities who need to compete in a less vibrant marketplace to stand out. Also, famous “starchitects” are [more] interested in changing a skyline of say St. Petersburg, Florida’s downtown than in Tokyo or Sao Paolo where it would be more difficult due to the mass number of buildings.
A few readers go further in echoing Rybczynski’s criticism. Leidesdorff33 bemoans San Francisco’s inundation by “a whole group of totally unmemorable buildings which are going up in the South of Market area. It’s as if SF is trying to outdo their building spree of 80’s tepid postmodernism.” OliviaD is particularly offended by the de Young Museum, which she derides as “a cross between a Wal-Mart loading dock and a cheese grater in the middle of our beautiful, gentle park.” For SF native ChiTownEm, the gold standard of architecture is to be found elsewhere, on Chicago’s Lakeshore Drive, an example of “how a collection of well designed scrapers coupled with great bungalows and walk ups create the perfect cityscape.”
Talk about your favorite city in the Architecture Fray. AC … 3:55pm PDT
Tuesday, Oct. 17, 2006
Yesterday, Slate published a second installment in Gregg Easterbook’s ongoing efforts to link television with the onset of autism in children. The first “wholly speculative” article provoked a storm of outrage in the Fray that quickly overwhelmed our modest editorial staff. This latest piece, based upon the epidemiological work of researchers at the Cornell business school, has all the makings of another Category 5 hurricane.
SandyGrim questions the scientific credibility of Easterbook’s source:
It seems very strange for an academic paper to be posted (buried?) on the Business School web site, rather than published in a peer-reviewed academic journal.
To be considered as serious science, the paper should have been published in a scientific or medical journal with high editorial standards and subjected to rigorous scrutiny by experts in autism, epidemiology, statistics, etc.
Easterbrook consistently refers to the increase in autism that begins “around 1980, about the same time cable television and VCRs became common”. If Easterbrook had done his homework he would have found that 1980 was also the year the diagnosis of “Autism” actually became a diagnostic entry in its own right in the DSM-III. It was reclassified from being part of “psychotic” disorders (like schizophrenia) to having a specific heading in “developmental” disorders. Furthermore, in 1980’s the ‘autism spectrum’ (autism, PDD-NOS, and the newly-minted Asperger’s syndrome) definitions were changed or created to include persons with normal range IQ, and less severe symptoms. All of these changes to diagnosis would significantly impact the makeup of the population called “autism spectrum disorders” (ASD)– sometimes just called “autism” by the media. (to the confusion of many readers). All of these changes coincided with the increase in television-watching, but (am i going out on a limb here?) weren’t caused by television. […]
One of the worst perpetrations of bad science in the Cornell paper is using the California Dept. of Developmental Services rates of Autism between 1987 and 2003. The CDDS’s report of those numbers clear states in its note to the readers: “The information presented is purely descriptive in nature and standing alone, should not be used to draw scientifically valid conclusions about the incidence or prevalence of ASD in California”. [p. 4 of the pdf—ed.] Yet the Cornell paper tries to do just that. [p. 13, fn. 14 of the pdf—ed.]
But what of the convincing correlation between cable television in the 1980s and autism diagnoses? TJA has a head-slappingly obvious explanation:
Families that were early adopters of Cable were better off financially than families that did not get cable until years later. We know that middle and upper middle class parents are more likely to take their children to the doctor more often and to pursue possible health issues until they get an answer. In other words, having cable has NOTHING to do with CAUSING autism. It is simply something that financially secure families are more likely to have and those same families are more likely to get a diagnosis for their children.
Rachel126 questions the assumption that affluent households with cable expose their children to more television at all:
Of course, it makes sense that families with better access to health care also have more money and are more likely to have cable. But here’s another thought–PBS is usually available to homes that don’t have cable. And PBS has shown kids’ shows during the day for years, Sesame Street, Teletubbies, Barney etc. So why is it assumed that kids without cable are not watching TV, or are watching less? They could be watching PBS all day. Nor should it be assumed that if the family has cable, the kid is automatically watching TV all day long. My nephew has autism. His family does not have cable, and his mother limited TV. Lots of parents of autistic children say they could tell something was “different” about their child from birth. How can TV be blamed for that?
Other strong posts includes Mangar’s strident skepticism, mhogan’s ecumenical endorsement of the proposition that kids shouldn’t watch too much television, and Caromer’s TV guide for toddlers. Most alarmingly, jeremygans has discovered a link between autism and reading.
If you’re a fan of inclement weather, keep an eye on the Science Fray. This story has only just begun. GA … 2:45am PDT
Monday, Oct. 16, 2006
We’re counting our blessings here at Fraywatch that smart people are unwelcome at DailyKos, the community Web site for activist lefties with Stalinist tendencies. It’s an open secret in our user forums that Slate’s Fray traffic rides the short bus. We editors have been twiddling our fingers in alarm since May, when longtime Fray contributor Ender posted his Mosaic call for an Exodus from Slate’s reader community:
To be honest, a person, and I include myself, would have to be exceedingly naive of the internet around them to confine their words, their opinions, to that of posts in the fray. It’s a sinkhole. Many, and I mean a majority of your best readers, have left as a consequence. Gone to greener pastures. And all because you refuse to recognize, to admit that your reader’s voices matter. Well, I don’t need to convince you otherwise. Why? Because your readers agree with me. And as you probably know all too well, when faced with the choice of being your reader, or having their voice heard, they’ve chosen and continue to choose the latter in droves. […]
Dear fellow fraysters: […] Create an account, and spend the next 1.7 weeks playing/fraying over at Daily Kos. Learn the ropes. Figure out what’s what, and how things operate. At the end of the 1.7 weeks, report back here and answer the following question: […]:
Aside from the community that you know (me and you), can you think of any reason to continue reading Slate and posting in the fray given what else is available to you?
Sure enough, many of our best posters started two-timing, casting their pearls before the swine of a rival forum. We might not have much to brag about here at the Fray, but we do have one of the smartest communities of writing readers to be found online. Even our morons are lawyers.
As our hapless émigrés soon discovered, DailyKos has a dark side of its own—its very own people-powered Inquisition. By August, Fraysters were finding our strongest asset, embedded network-effects, to be our saving grace. By September, there was loose talk of declaring cyberwar.
The conflict between Kossacks and Fraysters reached a head with star-poster switters’ sarcastic assessment of the last Democratic administration, “Bill Clinton Caused 9/11™” (simulcast in Pinko-vision):
In our month long celebration of all things 9/11™, it seems warily appropriate to get all the cards on the table. 5 years after this disaster, we still don’t know whose fault it is. Until now.
With a presidential record that reveals that Clinton was more interested in the domestic health – economic, physical and social – of his fellow citizens than he was in “nation building” and “marching freedom spreading democracy” like a wheat thresher, it becomes abundantly clear just how asleep at the wheel our 42nd president (42? Have there been that many already? Really?) was, exactly.
Hell, he might as well have driven those planes into the Empire State Buildings himself. (And who’s to say he didn’t?)
But one thing we can all be sure of is that Bill Clinton caused 9/11™.
He failed to catch bin Laden during the movie Black Hawk Down
I mean, come on. Obi Wan Kenobi practically had him in his sights when he took out that one tank thingie with a grenade launcher in order to help save the dude from Pearl Harbor. Not him, the other one. No, you’re thinking of the dude from Troy and Munich. I’m talking about Colonel William (“Wally”) Sharp from Armageddon. Please try to keep up.
He was soft on terror
After the incident in Somalia, all of the awe and fear capital we’d built up over the years made the first Gulf War look like the Bay of Pigs, literally.
He was a moderate Democrat
I.e., “pussy”. But what would you expect from someone who was…
A draft-dodging faggot who never saw one day of combat
Could someone please explain to me, preferably slowly, why we would elect someone who had never fought in a war? It verges on the comical!
His vice president was an insane lunatic
All that weenie Al Gore did for 8 long years was to yammer on and on and on about the environment, predicting that if we didn’t ease back off on all the consuming we’d suffer massive fluctuations in the weather, causing unprecedented natural disasters. I’m still chortling at that one, retard. Newsflash! Tsunamis and hurricanes are not caused by the weather. They’re caused by God. Everybody knows that. I guess the last laughs on you, pinhead!
He spoke thoughtfully and in complete sentences when not reading a teleprompter
Just who the fuck does he think we are? Marshall Scholars? Quit that “reasoning” and “oratory” and “presidential rhetoric” and give us the meat and potatoes. (Better: pork skins and Schlitz.)
He was sexually active
Face it, folks: the last thing we need in the Oval Office is a president engaging in various sex acts while he’s “the most powerful man on our planet, earth”. It sends the wrong message, i.e, “I am a human being.” Is that really the image we want splattered all over the world for all its inhabitants to see?
He was so busy running the country that he forgot to run for office
You just don’t do that, kids. You just don’t. When the majority of politicians’ time is spent vying for the opportunity to spend the majority of their time vying for the opportunity to spend the majority of their time doing just that, it creates a Zen-like flow of psychological open-endedness and participates, via its circularity, in the very circle of life that they talk about in The Lion King. And who wouldn’t want that?
On the other hand, actually getting things done creates a vacuum and the illusion that you’re no longer needed. That’s bad (for) business.
He wasn’t fanatically Zionist
You can’t achieve peace in the Middle East unless you’re prepared to suck some kosher dick. Israel is the only, and I mean the only sane nation in the greater Middle Eastern metropolitan area. If Middle Eastern Peace were a restaurant, then Israel would be the uppity maitre ‘d, and he’ll be happy to inform you, after saying, “And you are…”, that reservations are required months in advance, even years for larger parties. “Perhaps you should try that new place, Iraqi’s Quagmire, just down the street,” he’ll say. “That may be more in your price range. And if I’m not mistaken they do accept reason and logic.”
You don’t talk to those people with reason and logic. You talk to those people with cruise missiles and artillery shells, RPGs and landmines, IEDs and SUVs. The language of anti-personnel devices and collateral damage is the only language those desert apes can understand. And you know it.
So, to sum up: Bill Clinton caused 9/11™ because of Armageddon (not the movie this time), John F. Kennedy, moderation, AWOL (Absent WithOut Leaving), “global cooling”, stupidity-as-empowerment, productivity, and anti-Semitism.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it?
Apparently, humor is an unwelcome weapon in the Kossack arsenal. This post was rated “troll” and switters was banned from the Web site, along with several other Fraysters who defended his writing. The incident gave resident misanthrope BettyThelmaLouLiz a new perspective on the Fray:
After reading the reactions to this Daily Kos post by switters, I can’t help thinking that the even the dumbest frayster is head and shoulders above the typical kossack. […] Puzzling to me is that Daily Kos, a “liberal” site, uses fascist tactics to stifle and silence dissent, and even takes some perverse pride in driving away the voices that could make it interesting and useful.
As it is, Daily Kos is an echo chamber which must, eventually, become as boring to its most fanatical adherents as it is to everyone else.
The drolly professorial Gregor_Samsa offered an arch defense of the dkos standard:
Feyerabend said it best in “Against Method”. Every single proposition unto itself is an orphan. Without the supporting legs provided by an entire paradigm, it’s a sitting duck, a dead parrot (…and I await a knock on the door from the metaphor cops). Ptolemians had a field day poking holes in Galileo (not the kind of holes imparted by the Catholic Church) in the days before Newtonian mechanics. Jesus was not the first messiah, nor the last, and where would we be without the apostles? The point is, no great advance in human thought has ever been achieved without utilizing the synergies between like minds. The trouble with the fray (“The tower of Babble on” – Ducadmo, circa 2006) is its narcissistic nihilism (note: nihilistic narcissism works as well). No sooner has one posted a “work in progress” (e.g. a 9/11 conspiracy theory) than a flock of vultures descend from all sides and tear it from limb to limb (a shredded cockatoo, a mutilated humming bird…). What I like about dailykos is that they care about letting their ideas breathe, about nurturing them to maturity. They embrace the burden of looking witless, reactionary and unfashionable today, but they aspire for a deeper understanding tomorrow. They are progressives, but not in the sense you think. You people, entombed in your snark and self-congratulation, will never understand this. If dailykos is an echo chamber, at least there is light at the end of that tunnel (and don’t give me that cliché about an approaching train). Do you know why you prefer diversity? For the same reason the lion prefers a teeming rain forest (I’ll have to check on that).
Maybe dkos will be washed away by the tides of cyber history. But if anyone has a chance of leaving a mark, it’s them. The only contribution you are capable of is canned laughter for sitcoms.
As the Fray’s editor, I’m not really sure what to make of this whole episode. The Fray is only as good as the contributions of our users. Once one learns how to navigate it, it is very good indeed. For those in search of a public voice, Fray posting has many of the advantages of blogging, without the taxing requirements of monomania and daily output. I’m tempted to agree with one Frayster’s summary:
My knee jerk reaction is to conclude that, in general, when it comes to Slate versus www.dailykos.com:
1.) Y’all get humor, although quite twisted at times.
2.) Y’all get irony.
3.) Y’all (most) seem to see what it is that I’m trying to say.
4.) Y’all are more tolerant and more open-minded, which is deliciously ironic in epic proportions because kos prides itself on being so liberal and, therefore, so tolerant. And that’s really saying something because you bleeding-hearted hand-wringers really can go over the top on occasion.
5.) Ergo, a lot of kossers are retarded pinheads.
But, upon further reflection, it’s the context. We as posters are not single posts but a collection of posts, for better or worse. After I’ve read something by one of you that’s particularly intriguing, when I don’t recognize the nic, I immediately hit MBTU to see what the deal is. Most of the time I’m not disappointed.
“Most of the time, not disappointing.” We should probably translate that motto into Latin before we print it on the letterhead. Still, I’d consider it a bragging point. If you spend some time on the Fray, I’m confident you’ll reach the same conclusion. GA … 10:15pm PDT
Thursday, Oct. 12, 2006
Slate’s weeklong symposium on the Novel 2.0, in which Walter Kirn and Gary Shteyngart speculate on the fate and evolution of the novel in the age of the Internet, is all the more fitting for being hosted on an online-only publication that itself embodies the promise and paperless appeal of delivering journalism and culture via an electronic medium.
Taking an almost Enlightenment view of the universal human subject, twifferTheGnu is of the conviction that the more things change, the more they stay the same:
fashion, technology, language, customs all fall in and out of common use. yet, the concerns of humans, the desires, needs, hopes remain remarkably consistent. so what has changed? not the world, but the means of interacting with it.
does this mean the end of the novel? of course not. if there is one constant of human nature, it is our love of discussing ourselves. even if we never really change. the novel will continue, and will, like other aspects of the human world, undergo superficial changes to reflect the superficial changes in society. but the core will remain untouched. because for all our changes, people never do change, do they?
DonJindra makes a helpful distinction: “Changing communication does change the world. It all started with the printing press. No, we don’t change human nature, but that’s not ‘the world.’ How we live in the world certainly has changed, and will continue to change dramatically.” As proof, baltimore-aureole lists the top 10 ways the Internet has changed the world, everything from “record stores going out of business” to declining worker productivity.
Identifying as a 23 year-old who is “old enough to treasure analog and young enough to pass through most digital applications without blinking an eye,” DeliciousSandwich presents this forecast:
while it’s true that a story does not change whether composed on parchment or computer screen, audience capacity is changing. Technology has gauranteed this; we consume in fits and starts, bite-sized downloads, nuggets of culture never too large as to overwhelm our attention spans. If there is a future for the novel, it might come in serialized form (as Walter Kirn has already demonstrated here in Slate, not to mention Stephen King and a slew of lesser-knowns all over the web). And of course Dickens was serialized for much of his career. But I’m not convinced readers have the patience to dive into James Joyce in downloadable form. There will always be novels, I think, but soon we may view them as the exception instead of the rule - like a director putting aside his HD camera to play around with 16mm, just like the good old days.
Not so fast, chimes inTidewaterJoe: “The novel will not die, not in the time in which I have still to live, say 20 or 30 years … ” In his view, the practicality of ink on paper for certain leisurely or scholarly purposes (such as reading on the beach and highlighting) will always trump the computer.
The nature of the electronic medium itself poses certain challenges to any sustained discourse or literary enterprise on the Internet, arguesaugust:
Being online truncates my attention span, and I just can’t follow long forms without drifting off to some other link. This post is probably too long, to say nothing of a novel. So let’s hold off on the proclamation of novel 2.0. The internet hasn’t even really met its Cervantes, to say nothing of its Tolstoy, Proust, or Faulkner.
But in terms of content, the play of identity, the necessarily pithy modes of expression, the desire to plug in and to unplug: all that seems like fodder for this generation of novelists.
We will end with annelliott9, whose observations as a high-school English teacher give us reason for optimism:
I work with teens–a population that is very much hooked up to video games, television, ipods, cell phones, instant messaging, and email. And yet these same young people read with insight, discover themselves in books on an ongoing basis, and even read outside of the classroom for their own enjoyment. Are these super-stars of the teenage world? Not really. They’re just average kids looking to make sense of their world. And reading–and, yes, that includes reading novels–helps them to do that.
If these are the adult readers of the future, I find no reason at all to despair over the fate of novel readers–I only hope that novel writers will provide them with something worthwhile to read.
Those wishing to add footnotes to this debate can find it in the Book Blitz Fray. AC … 6:16pm PDT
Monday, Oct. 9, 2006
North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-il, hasn’t yet gone ballistic, but his fuse is clearly lit. In response to Fred Kaplan’s latest call to armistice between the United States and its antagonists, Fraysters weigh in with their own geopolitical analyses.
Lysander thinks we can only face the truth of Kim’s latest provocation by burying our heads in the sand:
One has to wonder how verifiable a underground North Korean nuclear blast would actually be. A Hiroshima class nuclear explosion is the equivalent of about 15,000 tons of TNT. A similar explosion could be generated with large quantities of … TNT or other high grade explosive or even gasoline. One has to wonder whether satellite images can provide enough information to definitively distinguish a small underground nuclear explosion from a really large underground conventional explosion - particularly if it were detonated very far underground.
Pyongyang clearly wants the West to think it has nuclear capabilities and is certainly desperate to avoid another public failure. One has to assume that the North Koreans at least possess the technical expertise necessary to detonate conventional explosives. Thus, the possibility of a nuclear hoax seems at least initially plausible.
In sum, there seem to be at least three possibilities: (1) North Korea might successfully detonate a nuclear device; (2) North Korean could try to detonate a nuclear device and fail; or (3) North Korea could detonate something deep in the ground and claim that it was a nuclear device.
HLS2003 has trouble in consideration of both Kaplan and Kim:
I cannot take any commentator seriously on the North Korea debate unless they answer this question: Should North Korea be bribed not to follow through on its threat to test a bomb? And if so, what have we gained?
Nobody wants North Korea to have nukes, and although I tend to think Kaplan’s incessant (but utterly vague and contentless) calls for “more dialogue” are strategically wrongheaded, I can at least respect them as an alternate position. The goal is no Korean nukes; whether one uses a carrot or stick to get there is a matter for debate.
However, it is imperative not to use the carrot simply to head off North Korea’s recent test threat. Dialogue and bribery may very well be the best bet to end their nuclear program. Well and good, let the US engage directly, or via six-party talks, or what have you; as I said, it might not be my strategic choice, but at least there’s a goal in mind that could be accomplished as part of a bargain. But if the US and the world offer concessions just to head off this test, that is utterly foolish and counter-productive. The reason, in legal terms, might be called “illusory consideration.” …
In classic contract law, … if a party makes a promise that purports to offer a benefit, but does not in fact convey anything thereby, that promise is said to be “illusory” and there is no contract because of a failure of consideration. For example, if we enter an agreement that says “I promise to paint your house if I feel like it, and you promise to give me $100,” that is not a valid contract. What, after all, have I really promised? I have not promised to paint your house. I have not promised anything that you didn’t already have before paying $100 (I could have painted your house if I felt like it at any time, without you paying me).
In this instance, North Korea suddenly announced it would test a nuclear weapon. If the world rushes to offer incentives to stop this particular supposed nuclear test, and the test doesn’t happen right away, then what has the world gained? Nothing. It is an illusory promise. North Korea could say in two weeks “We’ve decided again to test” and we would have the same rigamarole all over again. …Dialogue may be a good idea, but it needs to be substantive dialogue about North Korea’s overall nuclear program, not about this threatened nuclear test. If negotiations are going to be undertaken, they should be undertaken completely without regard for North Korea’s latest announcement. Anything else, and the world is paying for an illusory promise, and teaching North Korea it can spin mere words into gold.
If Kim wants nuclear bombs, so be it. It is none of America’s business that Kim wants to develop nuclear bombs. The day that it becomes America’s business is the day that North Korea nukes America. (If so, America will annihilate North Korea and that will be that.) Until that day, which will never occur because Kim is cleverly rational, it’s none of America’s business to meddle in North Korean internal affairs. Conversely, has North Korea ever told America that it can’t develop new weapons, such as new missiles, new nuclear weapons, new warplanes or new anti-missile defense systems? Of course not! It would be absurd because no foreign country meddles in American internal affairs. Yet, why does America have the right to meddle in other countries’ internal affairs with regard to weapons development and military expenditure? Per person, America by an exponentially large margin spends more money on its military than any other country. The second biggest spender, China, spends far less than America, and it has approximately four times more people!
Lastly, it should be pointed out that America has been the biggest warmongering country in the last fifty years. By far, it has been engaged in more wars in the past fifty years than any other country. America is also the ONLY country which has actually used nuclear weapons. In this context, the countries of Iran and North Korea look downright peaceful. Accordingly, it is America, and not North Korea or Iran, that should give up its nuclear weapons and have UN weapon inspectors running all over its country.
Many provocative points of view … I’m still waiting, however, for a compelling suggested response to North Korea’s behavior. If you have any ideas on what should be done, please enlighten us in the War Stories Fray. GA … 9:25pm PDT
Friday, Oct. 6, 2006
Daniel Gross’ review of the various ways in which the Bush administration could be manipulating gas prices prior to midterm elections was the talk of Moneybox Fray, with some seeing corporate conspiracy where others see the pure economics of supply and demand.
Noting that “oil has lubricated politics from its earliest days,” revrick gives an excellent historical primer on the subject, ranging from John D. Rockefeller’s “take over of the early oil industry [with] the willing complicity of the PA legislature and their pals in the Penna Railroad” to “Lyndon Baines Johnson’s … ties with Brown and Root, now a subsidiary of Halliburton.”
nutrprofe frames falling prices at the pump as a matter of economic interest, with no conspiracy needed for price manipulation:
If I were an oil company official setting gas prices, I would slash them during the election season. This would be a smart business decision. Why? It is in the oil industry’s interests to have Republicans in office at all levels. Lower gas prices mean more votes for Republicans. Any temporary loss of profit, even if it runs to hundreds of millions of dollars, will be richly repaid if Republicans stay in control. Lowering gas prices is a better investment than donating money to Republican campaigns, and is exempt from campaign finance laws.
No involvement of the government is needed, just oil companies following their own economic best interest. A conspiracy between competing oil companies is also not necessary. Once one company decides to slash prices, even at the expense of profits, they are undercutting every other company and they must slash prices too. Raising prices in unison would be trickier than cutting them in unison –one company might decide to raise prices less and grab more market share. But no such cooperation is needed for across the board price cuts.
Similarly, brlaub sees no need for “any overt collusion; just a recognition of what best serves the collective interest.” Moreover, the “highly concentrated and oligopolistic” structure of the industry would lend itself to this sort of internal strategizing, with “the ‘hyphenates’ Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texaco, etc.) control[ling] every aspect from exploration, production, refining and distribution.”
MaxBuff points to “one crucial price driver” unmentioned by Gross: “market traders who bid up the price of crude when its supply is threatened by natural or manmade events”:
It would take a real dummy not to notice that prices go up when Bush addresses menacing remarks to Iran or Venezuala or when he stands idly by as war spreads in the Middle East as has happened during the recent Israel-Hezbollah conflict.
It seems that GW and Condi have been models of restraint recently. Bush seems to be supporting the European negotiations with the Iranians and has made no “all options are on the table” remarks. He has ignored the foolish provocation by Hugo Chavez at the UN. He’s made no threats recently and, consequently, there’ve been no price spikes.
C0mmonsense urges us, however, not to jump on the paranoid bandwagon:
Before we put a lot of stock into 42% of americans believing oil prices have been manipulated let us remember that a signifigant number of americans are still convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was not President Kennedy’s assassin or that there was some larger conspiracy involved in his assassination. Americans seem to feel a need to believe in conspiracies because they are more interesting then the mundane truth that is reality…Even if the Bush administration did manipulate ALL of the oil companies in the US there is no way they could manipulat OPEC, they don’t even like Bush, and if you have been keeping up with the news OPEC has been trying to cut production and get prices back up to where they were as they were enjoying the high profits.
While the link between gas prices and presidential approval ratings is well-documented, this graph provides a nice visual illustration of that correlation. AC … 5:11pm
Monday, Oct. 2, 2006
“What happened between April 2004 and September 2006 that has so deadened American outrage [at the use of torture]?” So asks Dahlia Lithwick, in “Photo Finish.” Her analysis of this question, however, may put the cart before the horse. Has the hit television series 24 or congressional debate over detainee treatment caused Americans to support the state-sanctioned use of torture? Or are these phenomena merely the effects of a momentum shift in American public opinion? The Fray provides disheartening evidence that these policies enjoy widespread affirmative support.
The Jurisprudence Fray features many excellent posts decrying the use of torture. Utek1 points out the historical precedent for the humane treatment of unlawful enemy combatants. An excellent post by melvil compares the legal issues of defining torture with American pornography jurisprudence. Aroyfaderman ably defends the procedural basis for objecting to torture. But if you already oppose the use of torture, the more informative arguments come from supporters of the practice.
KnownSoldier was outraged at the disclosure of the Abu Ghraib scandal:
I was outraged at what the media would call torture. I was outraged that the American media would put the lives of American soldiers fighting in a foreign theater in jeopardy because they were offended at people being made to get into a half-naked pyramid.
I don’t think that the average person considered what they saw in those photographs to be torture, regardless of what the media called them. When the average American thinks “torture”, I believe that they think of something like severe beatings, broken hands, bags of rats over heads. I don’t think that we consider making someone walk on a leash to be torture. I heard one guy say that he saw more violent behavior at S&M swingers clubs in the 1970s. And those people came back every weekend.
So, yeah, the pictures did “numb” Americans to the media’s claims of torture. Because we didn’t agree with the media. To a famous liberal target, the naked breast of Justice was porn – did the fact that most of us didn’t agree make us all pornographers?
3yellowdogs isn’t writing his congressman to oppose the Detainee Treatment Act and doesn’t believe his fellow constituents will, either:
The reason that the President got what he asked for and that congressional Democrats didn’t sufficiently “express horror over the brutalization of enemy prisoners” is that their constituents, from the very first, had little or no objection to what they saw. […]
Confronted with the media-driven firestorm that was Abu Graib in April of 2004, just two and a half years after the 9/11 attacks, the vast majority of Americans looked at the photos and came to the conclusion that if we have to pile up some naked enemy prisoners and humiliate them a little to get valuable information that would save lives in Iraq and possible at home, then so be it. […]
The idiotarian wing in both houses is big and loud enough to have taken full advantage of this issue if they thought it would benefit them back home at the ballot box. But with few exceptions, they concluded that isn’t the case.
Many argue that the photos of Abu Ghraib do not actually depict torture. Others consider the range of activities authorized by the Detainee Treatment Act to fall short of actual torture. But a surprising number of posters see no need to dodge the label of “torture” at all. As case42tlc puts it:
Torture of the innocent is immoral; for the guilty, however, it can become a moral imperative. The world is full of people who deserve to be tortured, and we have lost the moral clarity to identify and deal with those who no longer deserve to be thought of as human.
Who no longer deserves “to be thought of as human?” For Mombo_Man, the answer appears to be Muslims in general:
We’re dealing with a bunch of animals and we should not fight by the Marquee of Queensbury Rules. These people hate us, they want to kill us and there is no real chance of “dialogue” in the equation. I’m not going to get into an argument over torture and if it is an effective tool. If it doesn’t work, don’t do it, if it does work, let the authorities knock themselves out.
Somewhat more generously, Jack_Cerf restricts the category to enemy guerrillas:
The United States is now at war against an enemy whose essential tactic is to disguise themselves among the civilian population for tactical advantage. These people are not criminals – they deem themselves at war against the United States, and they may be taken at their word. Nor are they the uniformed soldiers of any de jure or de facto government. They are beyond the protection of the law of war and may be treated in whatever manner their captors consider advantageous.
To joe62, American rights are not universal values, and foreigners should be treated accordingly:
The argument that these individuals should have the same rights as a US citizen denigrates US citizenship. Illegal immigrants are just that…illegal. Various terrorist captured on battlefields are just that…terrorist.
Giving whole new meaning to “desensitized,” A-pen makes an even more disconcerting argument:
Our country doesn’t go to war to promote the constitution. It goes to war to defeat an enemy with as much expediency and least loss of our side’s resources as possible. There is no point in blessing your enemy with kindness and fairness at a time when he is going to kill you because he cares not for your way of life.
Our system provides for the good of the many not individual rights when it is practical. Just get hurt at work and you’ll see the system turn your American dream into a pile of bills and permanent loss of earnings capability and do it with no conscience at all. Just get in a car wreck and watch as your life goes to pot when the insurance runs out and the lawyers stop answering your calls when they get paid. Just let any statute of limitations run out while you are disabled or preoccupied or unable to secure representation and you will see how our fair system works on its own people.
The world is a dangerous place and I think our country is only obligated to serve justice in proportion to the need of victory.
According to Lithwick, “with a handful of sick exceptions, people who could agree on nothing else could agree that this was an unacceptable way to treat prisoners.” After reading through the Fray, one has to wonder—how exceptional are the sick? Judge for yourself in our Jurisprudence Fray. GA … 4:00am PD