The Waves

The “Handsy Joe” Edition

The Waves on the allegations against Joe Biden, Maybe You Should Talk to Someone, and the perception of Pete Buttigieg.

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On this week’s episode of the Waves, Hanna, June, and Noreen discuss Lucy Flores’ piece in the Cut about being touched inappropriately by Joe Biden and the larger reckoning it’s sparked around his conduct and candidacy. How do we process behavior that falls in the “gray zones,” and what does the response to both Biden and Flores say about the state of the #MeToo movement as a whole? Then, the hosts are joined by therapist Lori Gottlieb, a columnist for the Atlantic and the author of the new book Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. They unpack how she navigates writing about patients and whether there’s such thing as a “feminist therapist.” Finally, Christina Cauterucci and journalist Mark Harris have a conversation about whether Pete Buttigieg’s sexuality has factored into his reception, reflecting on how we weigh candidates’ identities, experiences, and policies as the 2020 primaries approach.


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Other items discussed on the show:

• “An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden” by Lucy Flores in the Cut
• “What Will Biden Do?” by Nate Silver and Clare Malone in FiveThirtyEight
• “Joe Biden Isn’t the Answer” by Rebecca Traister in New York magazine
• Lori Gottlieb’s Maybe You Should Talk to Someone
• “Are You Still Seeing Your Person?” by Susan Matthews in Slate
• Lori Gottlieb’s Marry Him
• “In a Diverse Candidate Field, How Is Pete Buttigieg’s Sexuality Factoring Into His Appeal?” by Christina Cauterucci in Slate


June: The fourth season of The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
Hanna: Katherine Goldstein’s podcast The Double Shift
Noreen: Skin Food by Weleda

This podcast was produced by Danielle Hewitt. Our production assistant is Alex Barasch.

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