The Waves

The “Minnesota Nice” Edition

The Waves on the glamorization of Ted Bundy, the allegations against Amy Klobuchar, and sex work surveillance.

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On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina is joined by Refinery29’s Ashley Edwards and Slate’s own Rachelle Hampton to discuss the glamorization of serial killer Ted Bundy, who’s back in the spotlight thanks to the Netflix docuseries Conversations With a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes and a Zac Efron–led biopic, Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile. How did the myth of the clever, charismatic murderer arise in the first place, and how does it compare with the reality? Then, 2020 candidate Amy Klobuchar has long been praised as “Minnesota nice” by her colleagues and constituents—but some staffers have come forward to paint a very different picture of their boss’s behavior in the workplace. The hosts debate what we should make of the allegations and how they might affect her presidential campaign. Finally, Uber, Marriott, and some civilians are attempting to stop human trafficking by scrutinizing women’s behavior—but is this kind of surveillance helpful or harmful?


In Slate Plus, we answer a question from a listener: Is indoor plumbing sexist?

Other items discussed on the show:

Conversations With a Killer: The Ted Bundy Tapes
Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile
Ted Bundy Wasn’t Special or Smart. He Was Just White” by Ashley Edwards in Refinery29
• “Why Is Ted Bundy Suddenly Everywhere?” by Tori Telfer in Vulture
• “The Real Problem With Zac Efron’s Ted Bundy Movie Isn’t the Heartthrob’s Hotness” by Sam Adams in Slate
• “The Ted Bundy Movie Starring Zac Efron Sure Does Love Ted Bundy” by Alissa Wilkinson in Vox
• “Staffers, Documents Show Amy Klobuchar’s Wrath Toward Her Aides” by Molly Hensley-Clancy in BuzzFeed News
• “Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s Mistreatment of Staff Scared Off Candidates to Manage Her Presidential Bid” by Molly Redden and Amanda Terkel in HuffPost
The Devil Wears Prada
Everyone Stop Being Sexist so We Can Have an Honest Conversation About Nancy Pelosi’s Political Leadership” by Christina Cauterucci in Slate
• “Are You a Woman Traveling Alone? Marriott Might Be Watching You” by Elizabeth Nolan Brown in Reason
• “Is There Really a Huge Upsurge in Sex Trafficking Over Super Bowl Weekend?” by Ruth Graham in Slate
• “Cindy McCain Apology Shows Challenge for Mixed-Race Families” by Jonathan J. Cooper in AP News


• Rachelle: Alexander Chee’s How to Write an Autobiographical Novel

• Ashley: “What I Know About My Best Friend’s Murder” by Carolyn Murnick in the Cut

• Christina: Renting a mobile petting zoo

This podcast was produced by Danielle Hewitt. Our production assistant is Alex Barasch.

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