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Glen Phillips on Divorce and Being Swallowed by the New

Toad the Wet Sprocket’s singer-songwriter talks about the catastrophic changes that led him to create his most bracingly honest album yet.

Glen Phillips.

Glen Phillips.

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Glen Phillips is a singer-songwriter best known for his work with Toad the Wet Sprocket. He has a new solo album coming out called Swallowed by the New, which you can preorder by clicking here. Today, Glen and Brian talk about Glen’s recent divorce (4:00), writing songs about difficult moments in life (11:30), and how hope makes its way into his music (25:00). Plus, Glen takes a look at his career and how he’s now in the business of reaching less people more deeply (35:00). Also, Brian talks about a letter he sent to Glen when he was having complicated feelings about his success (45:00) and asks Glen about the advice he would give his talented daughter about entering the music business (56:00). Glen ends the show by playing an incredible rendition of a song off the new album, “Criminal Career.”


Topics mentioned:

Swallowed by the New by Glen Phillips
Toad the Wet Sprocket
Dan Savage
Always Have My Love by Works Progress Administration
Shoot Out the Lights by Richard and Linda Thompson
Fear by Toad the Wet Sprocket
Bread and Circus by Toad the Wet Sprocket
The Smell of Rain on Dust: Grief and Praise by Martín Prechtel
Die Wise: A Manifesto for Sanity and Soul by Stephen Jenkinson
“Gotta Serve Somebody” by Bob Dylan
“Stupid” by Toad the Wet Sprocket
Southeastern by Jason Isbell
Joe Henry – The Mystery and Adventure of Life and Songwriting,” an interview with Krista Tippett
Pale by Toad the Wet Sprocket
Dulcinea by Toad the Wet Sprocket
Van Morrison
David Whyte
Living With the Law by Chris Whitley

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